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the inception radio network chicago

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need

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the extraordinary phenomenon

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investigations council presents epic

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voyages come join us as we enter and

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experience the great mysteries of the

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too much

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we need

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well good evening it's good to be with

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you another edition of epic voyagers i'm

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glad to be the uh guest host tonight i'm

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also going to have my co-host from the

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kevin cook show on tonight she's a

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girl with a lot of experiences and uh

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heidi how are you doing tonight i'm

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doing good how are you kevin

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oh pretty good i guess between your

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it's really a potpourri of stuff but

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there's a lot of

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uh pleasant religious experiences in

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there but uh

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a whole lot of shaking going on

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heidi i guess we ought to have a few

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news pieces before we uh

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start talking about uh all these

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there's some there's some late-breaking

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ufo news and it's small stuff but

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interesting

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and that it's one happened in ripley

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derbyshire united kingdom

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and this is just the narrative it's very

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short i'll just read it i've just seen

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an orange light heading toward the east

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time was 6 55 a.m object was very bright

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in the dark sky it was just about to get

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light but still very dark

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object was moving quite

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fast like a low-level jet but obviously

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higher in the night sky no sound hurt at

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i checked the isis the iss mean

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over a different part of central europe

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looked with binoculars for a short time

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after running upstairs before it

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disappeared behind the rooftops and it

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now that's not you know grand and

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glorious like you know the aliens

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landing having a marlboro and

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hurricane and going back or anything but

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these things do happen a lot and one

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other quick one

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this is in twin city georgia

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since we were driving home from dinner

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myself my husband my two sons we were

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less than a mile from our home when we

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came to an opening over a field and we

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saw six bright lights

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just over the field but still knew that

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it was on the other side of the highway

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they were in a horizontal line the

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blinking however it was clear there were

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they were bright round and yellow each

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light would slowly fade in and out and

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they each did it different times we

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exactly what we were looking at as we

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did the three lights on the right side

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these things do happen hiding i remember

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i guess did i ever tell you my story

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1970s version ufo scare over

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making a sales trip to alabama from

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i said i took her with her me on some of

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and also she was you know got in less

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trouble when she was on the road with me

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anyway what happened was we were coming

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back from alabama

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both sue and i were in the car and she

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heidi i swear

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ufo i mean the disc shape 100

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anyhow i was real mind blower and then

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what i did was i uh

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light on me or something you know and i

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something about the same you know yeah

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but i was vindicated the next day

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actually heidi uh a hundred thousand

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matter of fact i even just for the heck

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of it i i've got it somewhere in my

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storage somewhere but uh

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the atlanta journal constitution i i

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the arrow the uh there was the

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explanation that was offered by the air

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force that it was an advertising

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plane well now look this didn't look

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force bait air force jets doing flanking

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it and they were flanking it you know

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it's you know if it is it was an

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advertising plane what the heck was it

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advertising joe's barbecue there was no

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flashing signs or you know banners you

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pretty pretty limp

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but that's exactly what happened and uh

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you know you you under a lot of ridicule

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you know go back to that stacks they

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atlanta general constitution by golly it

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happened heidi wow that's pretty cool

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it yeah i know it is weird but

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anyhow i do like that uh little website

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i got that latest ufo sightings and

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stuff happens almost every day like that

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is going to publish cartoons of muhammad

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in the coming issue kind of a reprisal

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to the bombing of the place

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and they're going to put out actually

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they couldn't put out a million copies

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muhammad or something like that

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well you know as much as i see jesus

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jesus being abused on every single show

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out there and one of my favorite shows

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oh my god he's a regular character on

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there i mean it it kind of turns my

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i don't find it i don't find you know of

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course that to be funny but i sure am

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not going to go and hunt down seth

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macfarlane and give him a what four for

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i don't really care for family oh god

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south south park does it too and family

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guy they're they're really bad really

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depicting someone's religious figure in

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a you know sarcastic light i'm not

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you know i mean i'm not uh

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want anybody to do that i mean if it's

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you know hindus have bizarre figures

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and their religion you know elephants

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with three heads or whatever they got

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in other words i would not do that i

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think it's in bad taste personally but

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like you're saying i wouldn't hunt them

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down to blow them up yeah you know

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doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy

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inside but you surely don't go

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at most things but man family guy really

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and everything else oh they're horrible

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this you're telling me stuff i didn't

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fox i mean then fox on sunday it's

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they have that i think it's sunday yeah

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well i'm usually watching something else

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well i don't know but i mean it is off

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color and sure i'm not in favor of it

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and this is this little issue is no joke

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of the religions that are out there

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raising

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ruckus it's the muslims obviously

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i mean there's something like seven or

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eight thousand people that are mowed

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every year if that's a very minimum

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amount that's been estimated and that

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boko haram outfit just knocked off 2 000

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christians in a village like a week

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before all this

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charlie hebdo thing in uh france i mean

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i'm afraid heidi we're getting to the

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point where somebody's got to do

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something about this i'm talking

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military action i'm not talking about uh

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you know just spanking them with a ruler

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i'm talking about legging ak-47 bull in

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their head

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and uh i'm not in favor of

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violence normally but you can't let this

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kind of massacring go on

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and they're trying to drive all the

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christians out of the middle east i mean

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christians have been in some of these

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countries like syria since the beginning

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the mountains or something like that and

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but i mean these yoyos are actually

283
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decapitating children and stuff i know

284
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it's it's

285
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but it's like what do you do it's so

286
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much you killed them you killed them

287
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that's what you do you don't spank them

288
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you don't educate them you don't take

289
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them to dinner and pat them on the head

290
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you shoot them

291
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you know

292
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well kevin

293
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if this were another show i would

294
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i would go and

295
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and and just i don't know i don't even

296
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know what to think about

297
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i mean it's there's nothing else you

298
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could do

299
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well i mean you got somebody that's

300
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going to decapitate a kid

301
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what are you gonna take them to dinner

302
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and try to negotiate with them i mean

303
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you know come on

304
00:12:30,389 --> 00:12:28,160
no it's

305
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it's like you see this ak-47 you've got

306
00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:32,000
uh you're dead

307
00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:34,399
anyway that's that's what it is but or

308
00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:37,440
well m16 epic voyagers people you hear

309
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you know it's uh what is it

310
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eve

311
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and you know so how about those aliens

312
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kevin

313
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yes but what i'm talking about folks is

314
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that uh i get this kind of abuse all the

315
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time but everybody wants to

316
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walk around the moslems like they're a

317
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sleeping tiger and i say shoot the tiger

318
00:13:02,870 --> 00:13:01,360
i mean you know whatever

319
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but anyway

320
00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:04,240
it's so hard to

321
00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:05,920
you know pick out who's doing what

322
00:13:09,509 --> 00:13:07,760
though that's that's what no it's real

323
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easy it's real easy there they are there

324
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they are they're doing it shoot them

325
00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:12,160
they're over that's it yeah but they've

326
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got the sleek sleeping cells in every

327
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country it's like how how do you find

328
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that you know it's difficult well just

329
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make a regular hobby of it i mean just

330
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uh get on with it just

331
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hunt them down like rats

332
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but

333
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you know that's

334
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:30,560
in any case uh

335
00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,639
i i've been cleared before the broadcast

336
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to make mention of these lovely muslim

337
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uh insurrectionists

338
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and uh oh they okayed you to say that's

339
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okay

340
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no

341
00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:43,200
cherry said it's okay if i don't [\h__\h]

342
00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:45,360
foot around about it but anyhow that's

343
00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:47,920
one issue but here's something that will

344
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make you feel better

345
00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:51,519
is that uh

346
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as far as being different topical matter

347
00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:55,040
but

348
00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:57,680
now this is serious

349
00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:00,560
martin luther king

350
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was assassinated by the us government

351
00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:04,959
according to the king family civil trial

352
00:14:14,829 --> 00:14:10,629
what uh what has happened is

353
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:14,839
that uh of a verdict in a civil court in

354
00:14:19,189 --> 00:14:17,360
memphis uh

355
00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:19,199
actually

356
00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:20,639
found the government at fault and

357
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:24,000
implicit in the in the murder um

358
00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:28,959
it was kings versus jowers j-o-w-e-r-s

359
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,120
and this verdict was in a memphis court

360
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:34,079
and it was recently carried out

361
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:36,240
and the evidence heidi is kind of

362
00:14:39,509 --> 00:14:37,519
overwhelming

363
00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:39,519
wow because it all it always did kind of

364
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:40,720
stink

365
00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:42,959
because i you know i've looked into it a

366
00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:45,040
little bit over the years but

367
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what would happen is um

368
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:50,320
like that james earl ray

369
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:52,639
that supposedly killed king

370
00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:54,800
he was just a memphis street thug heidi

371
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:57,440
he was not you know some kind of murky

372
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:59,600
uh politico or

373
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:00,480
uh

374
00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:02,800
ku klux klan type or something like that

375
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:04,240
he was uh

376
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,959
basically just like a numbers runner or

377
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:07,920
really

378
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:10,240
just a petty street thug not

379
00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:11,920
anybody of any significance in the

380
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:13,600
criminal department

381
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:15,519
and or the political department and he

382
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:16,639
wound up

383
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,079
in a uh assumed identity in england

384
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:21,920
now heidi this guy

385
00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:24,000
in his normal life

386
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:26,240
couldn't make it to uh atlanta from

387
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,720
memphis practically

388
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:30,079
and how you know there was not the kind

389
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,519
of guy that could set up an alternate

390
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:33,680
identity and

391
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,079
work out work himself over to london it

392
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:38,720
just didn't make sense okay that that

393
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,120
smelled a rat to begin with

394
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,959
but they had other things like the us

395
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,399
hundred and eleventh military

396
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,240
intelligence group word king's location

397
00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:48,959
during the assassination uh

398
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:51,120
must be all the same guys uh you know

399
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:53,839
handled the lee harvey oswald uh jfk

400
00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:55,759
shooting thingy too so

401
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:58,079
i know and you know tomorrow tomorrow on

402
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:59,600
our show we're going to have john corner

403
00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:00,880
on he's going to talk about links

404
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,000
between

405
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,800
conspiracies

406
00:16:07,829 --> 00:16:06,399
well there you go

407
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:07,839
jfk

408
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:10,639
mlk but you know uh

409
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:11,920
that uh

410
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:13,680
other other little weird anomalies

411
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,720
happened

412
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,639
like on that same day the usual memphis

413
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,639
police special bodyguard units were told

414
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:19,920
they weren't needed on the day of the

415
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,079
assassination

416
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:24,320
yeah that's that flag

417
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,519
and uh

418
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:28,079
let's see what else uh

419
00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:29,360
military intelligence set up

420
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:30,880
photographers on the roof of a fire

421
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,560
station with a clear view to dr king's

422
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:34,720
balcony

423
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:40,629
his room was changed from a secure first

424
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:44,000
floor room to an exposed balcony room

425
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:45,759
i mean in other words everything was set

426
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,279
up

427
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:48,959
with the idea of reducing the security

428
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,269
and uh

429
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:58,000
also here's the real kicker the rifle mr

430
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,680
ray delivered was not matched to the

431
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:01,199
bullet that killed king and was not

432
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,160
cited

433
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,600
to shoot accurately in other words a

434
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:05,439
piece of crap they tried to

435
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:07,039
uh throw in there as supposedly the

436
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,600
murder weapon so i mean that plus all

437
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:10,880
the rest of it

438
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:13,600
heidi it did it always did smell it

439
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,720
really did yeah a lot of stinky stuff in

440
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,480
this country goes on

441
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,319
and of course i can't rehash the entire

442
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,640
evidence in the you know in our time we

443
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:24,319
have a lot of here but

444
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:27,039
what it amounts to is uh

445
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,480
this was another

446
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:30,960
con yes and remember that at the

447
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,280
atmosphere at the time was strange too

448
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:35,520
heidi because

449
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:36,480
king

450
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:39,440
was against the vietnam war

451
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:40,640
okay

452
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,039
and he was a he was a very big figure at

453
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,960
the time i mean yes he's a big civil

454
00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:46,480
rights leader certainly

455
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:50,559
but beyond that he was a um

456
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:52,160
he had a lot of weight this over and

457
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:53,840
above the civil rights input i mean he's

458
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,320
a national figure of prominence and what

459
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,000
he said counted

460
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,320
and if he didn't want the the war people

461
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,320
would listen to him

462
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,919
and uh

463
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,840
that that's probably what got kennedy

464
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,440
killed too

465
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:08,640
but anyway

466
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:10,320
i don't want to belabor it but that just

467
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,919
came out about the civil trial i that

468
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:13,440
might come up again tomorrow on our show

469
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,880
on that

470
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:16,480
but heidi um

471
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,720
got a lot of stuff going on indeed

472
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:22,720
now

473
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:24,400
you're a very nice young girl and you

474
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,840
wouldn't think that

475
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,600
some little gal from wisconsin would

476
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,760
have all kinds of ruckus going on around

477
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:31,200
them

478
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:32,960
you think you'd all be drinking beers

479
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:35,039
and watching the packers and eating

480
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:36,320
cheese

481
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:38,480
yes and having hay rides or whatever the

482
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,840
hell you do up

483
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,280
there i mean you wouldn't think that a

484
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,600
gal from a normal homespun place like

485
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:46,960
that would have

486
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:51,280
a bunch of ruckus and hat men and

487
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,960
i mean i could see jesus showing up in

488
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:54,320
wisconsin

489
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,600
oh yeah

490
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:57,360
but you figure that

491
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,679
such extremes as hat men and

492
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,799
uh

493
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,200
such as that would be down my neck of

494
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,440
the woods say in florida or texas or

495
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:07,520
something like that but not in homespun

496
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:08,640
wisconsin

497
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,750
well three of the things you mentioned i

498
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:15,919
rarely do watch the packers eat cheese

499
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,470
i hate beer don't eat cheese much and i

500
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,640
only watch packers mainly for playoffs

501
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:26,480
because they usually make it to them go

502
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:29,280
pack um

503
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,400
but

504
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:32,559
um i don't know

505
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:34,880
it's strange i mean i i think that for

506
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,600
myself it just seemed to be that

507
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,679
strangeness followed me i don't know why

508
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:41,840
that was i don't know why that is

509
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,799
and you know i i was born into this uh

510
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,640
with my head not attached

511
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,799
and it's just kind of gone on from there

512
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:50,960
i i don't know it's it's just been

513
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,679
strange but uh i i

514
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,960
a lot of people out there have heard me

515
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,640
talk about you know i grew up in a

516
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:58,080
haunted house and

517
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,200
yeah

518
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,840
it just it started there i was seven

519
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,200
years old and

520
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,240
uh things started getting strange and

521
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,720
don't know how or why my mother had

522
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,240
passed earlier in the year and it

523
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,919
started christmas day

524
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:13,440
when strange things started happening

525
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,480
you know or

526
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:16,880
oh really yeah i mean right after she

527
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,559
died or uh she died in april um

528
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,720
it was christmas day

529
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,720
literally christmas day that's something

530
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:25,600
yeah

531
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,720
truly out of the ordinary began and we

532
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,720
i mean we just didn't know how to how to

533
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:32,000
categorize it

534
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:33,840
no i mean yeah that's an oddball thing

535
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,559
you know yeah so she died on christmas

536
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,840
no she didn't no

537
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:40,000
no she died in april she died in april

538
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,200
and uh

539
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:43,440
it was christmas day that we woke up to

540
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:50,149
yeah so just absolute

541
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,600
crazy madness

542
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,440
what happened i mean how would it be um

543
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,679
you know

544
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,159
okay so my my soon-to-be stepmother had

545
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,240
moved in already by christmas time

546
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,640
recently moved in so she moved her all

547
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,280
her stuff in and that included an organ

548
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,640
and

549
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,120
my soon-to-be step brother

550
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,480
and uh my two sisters and myself we had

551
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,760
just opened up all our christmas

552
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,360
presents having a good old time playing

553
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,799
with our new toys

554
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,280
my dad and my soon-to-be stepmother

555
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,880
wanted to go wish other people merry

556
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:23,520
christmas and said they'd be back

557
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,880
so we're playing with their toys having

558
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,159
a good old time

559
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,640
and the new organ that my stepmother had

560
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:31,440
moved in suddenly started playing by

561
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:34,400
itself and oh really

562
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,280
we thought wow this is the coolest thing

563
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,039
me and my sisters got up got close to

564
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,440
her like oh that is so neat just like in

565
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:44,080
the movies how does it do that we looked

566
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,679
to myself you thought it was like

567
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:47,200
something that was a mechanical thing

568
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,559
right i guess

569
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,480
we thought it was something they did we

570
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,760
thought it was yeah yeah it's like like

571
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,440
a mechanical format or something like

572
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,799
that yeah you know the automatic playing

573
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,200
pianos you know right right right yeah

574
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,400
we thought it was something like that

575
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,799
we're like that is so cool how does that

576
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,640
do that we and we looked to my step

577
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,039
brother and he was white as a ghost

578
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,840
redhead freckled pale guy

579
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,200
he's like

580
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,720
he just muttered out it doesn't do that

581
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,840
we're like oh no there's ain't no

582
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,320
special feature that things got now no

583
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,039
no and we just it was so strange like it

584
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,280
just seemed to hit us all at once and we

585
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:24,240
all screamed and we ran and we ran into

586
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,840
the

587
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,440
bathroom and locked ourselves in because

588
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,200
of course it's the only room with a door

589
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,679
a lock on it so we're like okay

590
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:33,919
what the heck and i mean this

591
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,720
organ is pounding away and it was just

592
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:37,840
sounded

593
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,320
sinister and just you know bong bong

594
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,799
bang bang right you know

595
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,440
on and on yeah i mean it wasn't like in

596
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,720
tune or anything it was just like

597
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,720
somebody was just punching it

598
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,559
and we're sitting there listening to

599
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,080
this we're freaked out we don't know

600
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,280
what to think of it

601
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,919
um but long story short i mean there's

602
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,400
there's different levels to this thing i

603
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,760
got pushed

604
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,640
out of the bathroom because my bully of

605
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,159
a sister said it's too crowded in here

606
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,039
somebody's got to go i'm shoved out

607
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,440
i'm crying i can't believe this is

608
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,360
happening i'm how old are you at this

609
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,080
interval uh you know at that age uh at

610
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:16,000
the it was december so i had just turned

611
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,880
eight

612
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,440
so um

613
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,440
getting there having to deal with this

614
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,720
sound

615
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,320
and i decided i couldn't take it no more

616
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,480
so this is the first of many adventures

617
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,559
into the paranormal for myself

618
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,640
and i'm like i can't take this anymore

619
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,280
and i knew that there was a lock for

620
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,559
this organ

621
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,640
so i went into

622
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,440
uh

623
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,600
a key for the lock that pulled over the

624
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,400
keys so i went into my dad's bedroom

625
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:44,960
got the key

626
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,320
went to the organ pulled this thing over

627
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,799
the keys and locked it up

628
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,520
yes and it's not playing

629
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,520
and i'm like i went and put the keys up

630
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,960
and i'm telling my siblings you could

631
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,039
come out now you chickens i took care of

632
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,039
it and they're like you know

633
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,039
peeking out the door they're like what

634
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,039
is going you know really what did you do

635
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,039
i'm like i locked it you know

636
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,120
and as i'm sitting there talking to him

637
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,919
behind me something else started playing

638
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,200
they screamed they run back in the

639
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,600
bathroom holy crap i'm trying to figure

640
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,400
out what the heck it is i'm like

641
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,039
you know i'm hearing like

642
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,039
you know like i'm looking around there's

643
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,279
so much wrapping paper i'm digging and

644
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,400
my younger sister got an electric guitar

645
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,720
uh it was you know it had like buttons

646
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,480
that would push to be like a guitar

647
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:33,679
sound

648
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,799
i find this thing and i'm like oh it's

649
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:39,279
her toy i'm getting it i'm going to put

650
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,400
i'm telling him what i'm doing as i'm

651
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,320
doing i'm going to take the battery out

652
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,760
i pull the

653
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,679
the cover off the back

654
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,000
only to find it had no freaking

655
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,279
batteries

656
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,960
so

657
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,240
i just

658
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,960
eight-year-old to try to deal with it

659
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,360
was so scary

660
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:59,600
absolutely scary i put it down i started

661
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,880
crying and i put my back to the door the

662
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,279
bathroom door just slid down and just

663
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,720
sat there crying because i just couldn't

664
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,880
deal with it i couldn't stop it and of

665
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,640
course the parents come home everything

666
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,720
stops they don't believe us

667
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,919
you know just on and on you know i don't

668
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,760
know i mean how many kids were there for

669
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,840
or something or at the time there's just

670
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,000
the four of us but i come from a pretty

671
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,880
large family oh yeah

672
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,559
they're not all going to be lying or

673
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:29,039
imagining things or i mean that's ask i

674
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,159
mean i don't care if they're eight or

675
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,480
ten or whatever they are i mean yeah

676
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,240
that's that's bizarre that really is

677
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,480
heidi wow that's a heck of an intro

678
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,640
absolutely terrifying and that house i

679
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:40,559
mean we had poundings

680
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,960
bangings i got attacked by silverware um

681
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,960
you name it it happened

682
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,240
and uh but

683
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,360
how long had you been in the house

684
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:52,320
before these weirdy items happened

685
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,600
um my family moved back from california

686
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,440
from san francisco

687
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,240
i'd say they were living in that house

688
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,679
about four years already but uh and you

689
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,200
know a lot of people like oh your mother

690
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,039
haunted you it's like no come on what

691
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,240
mother do you know would want to

692
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,200
terrorize children i'm thinking because

693
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,640
for the rest of my life i mean i've

694
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,120
essentially been followed harassed by

695
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,240
paranormal oddities so i'm assuming that

696
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,960
she was able to keep those things at bay

697
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:22,960
and when she passed you know these

698
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,520
things just had a had a go at everybody

699
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,320
you know so that's all i could figure

700
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,400
absolutely

701
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:32,720
that's really that is bizarre bizarre

702
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,520
yeah

703
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,640
so

704
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,240
i mean

705
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,760
even at that point

706
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,760
you know the shadow people topic that's

707
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,799
something that we're going to talk about

708
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,840
this evening

709
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,120
something of the sort harassed my

710
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,279
stepbrother while we lived in that house

711
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,559
that looked

712
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,240
similar to what the shadow people are

713
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,760
and just to you know tell people really

714
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,200
quick i know you got to get to a break

715
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,600
the shadow people are black mass that

716
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,520
could take on various forms it could be

717
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:00,320
a shadowy cloud it could be a

718
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,679
shadowy flying uh streak

719
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,039
something that i call the head and

720
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,559
shoulder shadow

721
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,880
um which is like a big hulking thing

722
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,400
that has you know looks like its head is

723
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,480
directly connected to its shoulders and

724
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,480
sometimes you can see red eyes peering

725
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,240
out from this black mass and if you want

726
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:17,679
to see the difference

727
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,039
shapes that they could take go to heidi

728
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,600
hollis.com

729
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,240
and you'd be able to see um some of the

730
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,520
different drawings in regard to the

731
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,919
shadow people but a flying

732
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,480
like bat looking thing went into my

733
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,240
stepbrother's face

734
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,480
and scratched it up and it had red

735
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,159
glowing eyes

736
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,640
my dad was convinced there was a bat

737
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,039
loose in the house and proceeded to go

738
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:42,960
and all through everything there was

739
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:46,159
nothing ever found so absolutely crazy

740
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,400
and this happened right after

741
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,039
my um my siblings you know my

742
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,200
stepbrother and my older sister you know

743
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,720
had dealt with like poundings all

744
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,080
through the house ran into the bathroom

745
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,840
locked themselves in my stepbrother

746
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,000
tried to get all sassy i'm not gonna put

747
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,600
up with this come and get me you know if

748
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,200
you're so bad and that thing attacked

749
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,200
him in the face and he's

750
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,960
screaming like a little girl back into

751
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,720
the back well i guess i can understand

752
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,919
that

753
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,720
but

754
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,000
well i don't know heidi you know

755
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:13,440
sometimes you know i've been exposed to

756
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,240
some

757
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,240
things of that nature before and i'd

758
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,919
much rather take on three or four guys

759
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,840
in a bar fight and worry about something

760
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,320
that's demonic i mean you know something

761
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,840
flesh and blood you could deal with

762
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,600
issues like that

763
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,200
but uh i don't know heidi we've got a

764
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,159
lot to talk about tonight and uh we're

765
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,399
just a few seconds away from our break

766
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,200
but we might talk about that and uh

767
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,240
i don't know um i guess i can certainly

768
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,159
feel thankful i've never run across that

769
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,960
sort of thing i mean

770
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,279
i mean we'll we'll be right back after

771
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,880
our first break

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00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:49,200
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00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:53,039
oh heidi hollis on as a guest tonight

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00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,919
uh

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00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,440
heidi i um

875
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,360
i'm sorry you got traumatized by that

876
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,120
stuff at such an early age that's a lot

877
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,640
for an eight-year-old deprived it's not

878
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,240
a lot for an 80-year-old person to

879
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,559
process let alone an eight-year-old

880
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,960
it was it was really crazy it was really

881
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,399
crazy and

882
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,639
honestly

883
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you know

884
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:14,000
for my siblings and i we we felt so

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terrorized

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00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,679
so much of the time that

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00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,679
we when we watched a movie it's like a

888
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,119
movie wasn't a movie unless it was a

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00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,280
horror movie and it was at like

890
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counseling for us you know it was

891
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therapeutic because

892
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it was nice to see even if it was

893
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,359
fictional that there was even others who

894
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,879
thought of the possibility of the

895
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,200
horrors out there and we're like you

896
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,200
know like coaching each other oh melanie

897
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,960
remember when that happened to you or

898
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you know

899
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was just

900
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just uh you know what i hate to think of

901
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,480
horror movies as training mechanisms

902
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,560
oh it really was it's like remember the

903
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time when you ran from a thing that was

904
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,079
kind of gross and you know

905
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,670
yeah so it was it was pretty crazy but

906
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,119
um did you ever think about calling in

907
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,880
an exorcist

908
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:05,119
oh gosh we were i was so young my

909
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parents were yes yeah my parents were uh

910
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you know

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00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,000
at first in denial about what was going

912
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:14,839
on my stepmother came around rather

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00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,079
quickly um when we were all this this is

914
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,760
this is hilarious because i just can't

915
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believe she did this to us we were home

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we heard

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sounds coming from the second floor

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00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,400
we're all down on the first floor we're

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00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,560
like what is going on

920
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,119
and then we heard what sounded like

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something in the walls and we're like oh

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no no no no

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00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,440
and we ran to

924
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,000
we ran into my parents bedroom i had a

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lock on it and we're just sitting there

926
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and you know we're little little kids

927
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,440
and my stepmother was terrified and she

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goes okay

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00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,520
i'm gonna count to three and i'm gonna

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run out the door and i'm heading to the

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car and then she said everybody for

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themselves and we're like what

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you know

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00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,480
and she's so she said it everybody for

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00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:04,800
themselves and i'm going first one two

936
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,000
three ah and she just took off

937
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,760
we were like little kids

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00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:12,560
running after her you know it was

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00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,560
absolutely terrifying and we ran oh my

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00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,640
gosh we ran to the car we

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00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,320
sat in the car all night long it was

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00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,560
absolutely crazy

943
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,960
so uh yeah so it was all how long you

944
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stay in the car really we we did until

945
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my dad got off from work got home

946
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because it was

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00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,839
what the heck did he think about all

948
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,640
that

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00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,750
he was absolutely you know just like you

950
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:39,920
know this is you know you guys you're

951
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:46,390
my dad had experienced the absolute

952
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,680
worst

953
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,000
experiences in the house and he's it

954
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,839
we're like i didn't find this out until

955
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:53,920
many many many years later i was in fact

956
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,520
an adult already he started laughing and

957
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,240
he goes he said well if i told you what

958
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,240
i was going through you know nobody

959
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,520
would have been able to stay in the

960
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,160
house it said i was scared to death he

961
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,560
had absolutely terrible things happen to

962
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,520
him so

963
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,359
like what i mean what i mean worse than

964
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,119
that i mean worse than these

965
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,359
yeah um he actually

966
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:18,720
he was laying in bed one night and alone

967
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:20,839
the bedroom door opened by

968
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,040
itself his sheets went up into the air

969
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:27,040
and something crawled into the bed next

970
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,190
he said

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00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,240
i think i just passed out because i

972
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,640
don't remember what happened afterwards

973
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,359
oh gosh well that is really some serious

974
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,599
story there you guys just just

975
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,680
absolutely crazy so anyways um but

976
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,200
that's that's just the beginning of

977
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,440
stuff i mean that was that was one thing

978
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,760
it it i can't say it piqued my interest

979
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,440
to look into these topics i could say it

980
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:55,359
terrorized me to the point of wondering

981
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,960
how to escape such things um my parents

982
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,440
built a brand new house because for

983
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,359
little did i know one of the reasons was

984
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,119
you know that no one else had lived in

985
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,400
it before so it can't be haunted yeah so

986
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,240
we go and we we get a new house and all

987
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,240
that stuff but um

988
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,560
things changed uh to a point where of

989
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,560
course we weren't dealing with uh you

990
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,560
know the the ghostly phenomenon but i

991
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:20,160
had experienced some

992
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,680
poltergeist phenomenon that i i don't

993
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,160
know i don't know how to explain um

994
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:29,040
i i was at home i was home alone

995
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,400
and uh

996
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,200
my bedroom was the furthest in this this

997
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:36,320
house and uh it was a ranch-style home

998
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,800
and i heard the most awful crash

999
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,440
out in the up in the the foyer out when

1000
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,680
you first come into the house there yeah

1001
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,160
and i'm just like you know what was that

1002
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,920
you know i come out like hello you know

1003
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,560
anybody anybody here you know nobody's

1004
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,760
there

1005
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,599
i'm looking around

1006
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,240
and i'm not kidding you my stepmother

1007
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,400
had her favorite vase that was very

1008
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,480
close to the front door

1009
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:04,000
and it was

1010
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,359
smashed

1011
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,680
it had flown all the way from the the

1012
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,520
front of the door

1013
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,079
to the kitchen and smashed against the

1014
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,160
wall and it was they're in pieces and

1015
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,200
i'm like oh no i am not taking the blame

1016
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,079
for this i'm like a few feet i guess huh

1017
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,720
oh what was that had to be

1018
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,839
i don't know

1019
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,880
30 30 40 feet yes it was a pretty good

1020
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,119
distance and i'm like come on who did

1021
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,960
this you know i'm looking around front

1022
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,640
door is locked windows are closed i'm

1023
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,599
like ah this can't happen and i i

1024
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,599
literally my parents come home and i'm

1025
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,000
like look i'm gonna tell you i left it

1026
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:42,320
just the way it was i said i came out to

1027
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,119
this

1028
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,280
they didn't believe me i had to pay for

1029
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:47,040
that vase and replace it because it was

1030
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,560
her favorite this was in the this was

1031
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,240
the new house right it was the brand new

1032
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,760
house and they're like heidi they were

1033
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,280
not in the old house this place isn't

1034
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,119
haunted i'm like well i

1035
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,560
i don't know what to tell you you know

1036
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,720
here it is um so that was that was one

1037
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,400
thing and then uh

1038
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,240
it progressed

1039
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,240
for myself to start having other body

1040
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,800
experiences is the best way to put it

1041
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,560
and um

1042
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,119
this is an out-of-body experience

1043
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,880
i i don't even know what to tell you

1044
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,320
this is crazy

1045
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,760
um

1046
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,920
i had a couple of incidences i shared a

1047
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,160
bedroom with my younger sister

1048
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,599
and um

1049
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,440
i felt something really cold against my

1050
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,079
cheek and i'm like oh you know what is

1051
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:27,760
that and i feel it

1052
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,119
and it's it's the it's a wall you know

1053
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,200
you know with a little sand like in the

1054
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,000
paint i'm like what yeah i'm like i'm

1055
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:39,920
was on the ceiling oh okay yes i was

1056
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,640
like oh and i just took a deep breath

1057
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,599
and

1058
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,680
huh what you're sewing the texture in

1059
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,240
the paint or whatever i did and

1060
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,359
when i realized it boom thrown dropped

1061
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,839
down to the bed it you know honestly

1062
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,520
that really didn't feel out of body it

1063
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,839
felt like i was on the ceiling i i don't

1064
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,839
i don't know how to explain it oh i i

1065
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,480
know i've done that yes so

1066
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,400
now i wasn't on the ceiling i was kind

1067
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:07,040
of floating around below it but yeah

1068
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,400
yeah so

1069
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,240
absolutely crazy and then it progressed

1070
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,720
to being you know flying doing different

1071
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,240
things and um

1072
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:15,680
probably one of the strangest things

1073
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,880
that happened over there i had to

1074
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,280
and my dad had no son so i was mowing

1075
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:23,119
the lawn

1076
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:24,880
oh yeah and

1077
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,839
we lived on a piece of property that

1078
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,680
used to be an apple and pear tree

1079
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,079
orchard so we had rows of apple trees

1080
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,240
and pear trees oh that's cool oh it was

1081
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,119
awesome um so i was mowing the lawn and

1082
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,560
you know the

1083
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,040
the siding of the aluminum siding of the

1084
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,599
house was was green and it was a matte

1085
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,480
color

1086
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,359
a green and it was light

1087
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,400
a light green and uh you know on the

1088
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,880
line and i you know the sun is just

1089
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,000
hitting the aluminum siding just right

1090
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,680
where i just couldn't believe my eyes

1091
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,839
and what i was seeing i wouldn't got my

1092
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,599
little sister and i'm like do you see

1093
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,400
what i'm seeing she's like whoa

1094
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,119
right outside my bedroom window and this

1095
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,760
mind you this is like the day after

1096
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,720
i had one of my out-of-body experiences

1097
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,240
there were

1098
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:17,280
just sweaty footprints

1099
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,200
going a bare footprints going clear up

1100
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:23,760
the side of the house

1101
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,720
sweaty footprints yes it was like oily

1102
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,280
oily food yeah yeah you know

1103
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:30,480
to see it

1104
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,240
going clear up the side of the house all

1105
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,599
the way up

1106
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,400
we went and got my dad i'm like

1107
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,880
dad what is you know and he's like he

1108
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,040
goes out there he looks he's like

1109
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,440
he looks at us he looks again he goes

1110
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,839
like a practical you girls are pulling

1111
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,760
something what is going i'm like dad

1112
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,839
really you think how you get a replica

1113
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,240
we went and we got some oil on our feet

1114
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,640
and we got a ladder and we shoved our

1115
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:01,520
feet you know come on and i i put my

1116
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:04,400
foot in it and my foot fit

1117
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:05,359
so

1118
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,119
build up to everything but um you know

1119
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,400
living out in the country

1120
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,240
and walking everywhere

1121
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,280
um i i got to see a lot of odd lights

1122
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,680
and that piqued my interest in the alien

1123
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,040
topic um yeah but it wasn't until

1124
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,000
you know much later um it was between

1125
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:27,599
one of my college

1126
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,040
years that i moved down to iowa for

1127
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,760
a few months and

1128
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,599
while i was down there i saw something

1129
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,480
that was

1130
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,640
just out of this world i mean i'd seen

1131
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,880
ufos i've seen ghosts i've seen a lot of

1132
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,200
different things i've seen uh

1133
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,160
heaven like places and and

1134
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,920
just having memories of this heaven-like

1135
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,440
place and

1136
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,920
just to be honest i don't

1137
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,319
know where those memories fully come

1138
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,839
from

1139
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,520
and the only thing that i can i can

1140
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,760
gather is that uh

1141
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,240
you know i had pretty violent seizures

1142
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,800
as a kid and i'm thinking maybe i had

1143
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,400
some near-death experiences that's all i

1144
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,480
can maybe maybe i could figure that it

1145
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,319
might have been um

1146
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,880
so anyways i moved on

1147
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,800
your death experts do produce those yeah

1148
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,839
oh yeah yeah so i was down in iowa i was

1149
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,160
staying with uh one of my friends i was

1150
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,839
learning how to put a newspaper together

1151
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,000
and all this good stuff so staying at

1152
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:25,920
their family's home i stayed on the

1153
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,040
second floor that was an attic like

1154
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,599
converted part of it was converted the

1155
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,920
other part was not

1156
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,680
and broad daylight i know i've shared

1157
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,599
the story a lot um over

1158
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,680
over the airways so i'll say it briefly

1159
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:40,640
but

1160
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,960
uh it was broad daylight we went to

1161
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,720
her uncle's house in broad daylight

1162
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:49,280
walking along and i saw something

1163
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,800
dark going from a bush to a tree to a

1164
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,800
you know another tree and i'm like what

1165
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,560
am i seeing here you know this like

1166
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:58,240
somebody's working that round kind of a

1167
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,359
thing right

1168
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:01,119
like a lurker kind of guy or something

1169
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,079
right

1170
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,880
no it was a shadowy shadowy looking

1171
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,839
thing

1172
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:06,720
okay

1173
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,520
so uh essentially saw this this thing um

1174
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,720
going along the path it just it felt and

1175
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,760
it looked

1176
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,160
bizarre and i didn't know what to think

1177
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,480
of it we reached our destination

1178
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,040
and sometime later we walked back it's

1179
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,480
still daylight

1180
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,359
and this black shadowy thing

1181
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,040
was followed us the entire way and i'm

1182
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,760
like i got a good look at it this time

1183
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,760
and i was just beside myself you know

1184
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,240
after two times being followed by this

1185
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,920
thing and i go to my friends as we get

1186
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,280
in the door i'm like look i didn't know

1187
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,599
what i just saw but this is what i just

1188
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,160
saw and i draw what i call the head and

1189
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,000
shoulder shadow because it looks like a

1190
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:48,240
a man a wide

1191
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,240
statured man with a ted directly

1192
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,000
connected to its shoulders and people if

1193
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,920
you go to heidi hollis.com and click on

1194
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,440
the shadow people link you'll be able to

1195
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,319
see what i'm talking about um

1196
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,079
so it was it was it was really

1197
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,520
disturbing and i showed this to my

1198
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,319
friend this drawing of mine and she goes

1199
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,960
oh that guy yeah i don't know what he is

1200
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,560
but he's been following me since i was a

1201
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,200
kid and she goes hey dad

1202
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,599
really yeah she goes hey dad you know

1203
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,839
take a look heidi uh that's heidi's song

1204
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,800
too and

1205
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,200
he looks at the drawing oh he's back huh

1206
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,040
and i'm just like what is going on here

1207
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,240
you know just the craziest thing um

1208
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,000
shortly thereafter i had to go upstairs

1209
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,160
to my room to grab something didn't turn

1210
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,079
the light on because it was still

1211
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,000
daylight out the first room that you go

1212
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,240
into it's p it's pitch black

1213
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,720
the next room you go into it has you

1214
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,720
know low windows where you can see well

1215
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,880
enough in the room so i go in there grab

1216
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,200
what i needed to turn around

1217
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,359
and that thing is blocking my way to get

1218
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,960
out of the room so

1219
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,839
wow

1220
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,440
absolutely

1221
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,760
crazy you know to be met with something

1222
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,400
like that and and to feel it to know

1223
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,599
that it wanted to harm me that i felt it

1224
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,359
wanted to rip my throat out not harm me

1225
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,440
i felt it wasn't me i mean it was just

1226
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,680
nothing nice nothing

1227
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,319
nothing nothing friendly so

1228
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,640
um but again you know this this is you

1229
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,480
know that's just the beginning of you

1230
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,480
know what it was that that

1231
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,640
i've learned and that i personally

1232
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,240
called the shadow people

1233
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,119
um

1234
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:18,800
a few years later i moved back to

1235
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,480
milwaukee and i have you know

1236
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,119
a strange encounter um

1237
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,480
in regard to

1238
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,480
i guess you could say the the alien

1239
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,880
phenomenon uh nine

1240
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,680
gray aliens i saw in my apartment don't

1241
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,440
know what to don't know what to think

1242
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:37,599
about the things in your apartment that

1243
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,440
was in my apartment yes and um you know

1244
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,720
i mean you've heard this story right

1245
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,359
kevin i hope no i don't think so oh no

1246
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,040
you didn't hear oh good lord okay so

1247
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,640
i'll i'll go over it

1248
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
because i know we got we've got a lot of

1249
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,480
ground to cover so

1250
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,119
i was asleep in my my room and this all

1251
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,960
connects to the shadow people phenomenon

1252
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,160
um

1253
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,400
i'm asleep in my room

1254
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:02,480
i was i lived alone in this apartment in

1255
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,920
milwaukee and i heard sounds coming from

1256
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,920
my living room i didn't know

1257
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,440
you know what the heck it was i didn't

1258
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,520
try to discern it i just felt like

1259
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:13,040
somebody was in my apartment that was

1260
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,319
not supposed to be there and i was

1261
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:16,480
pretty darn certain

1262
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,359
that

1263
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,760
it was a burglar and

1264
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,599
they didn't see me yet and i was going

1265
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:24,160
to just make a run for the door to

1266
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,200
escape

1267
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,440
them you know and so i'm like i don't

1268
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,599
have my phone next to me i'm just like

1269
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,920
oh my god i'm alone and somebody is in

1270
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,440
here and they're going through my stuff

1271
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,640
i i hear

1272
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,319
you know my stuff being moved shoved

1273
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,319
gone through i hear cabinet doors being

1274
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,920
open i'm like whoa you know there's a

1275
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,640
little

1276
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,040
whole army or something going on here

1277
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,000
i i sit up in bed real quick i'm like an

1278
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,920
adrenaline's pumping of course and i'm

1279
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,000
like i jump up

1280
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,000
and i go to bolt for the door to get out

1281
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,839
of this apartment

1282
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,800
and

1283
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,480
all of a sudden

1284
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,119
i get a good look at what is making all

1285
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,000
of this noise and

1286
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,119
it's it's strange but a weird calm came

1287
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,520
over me because when i i stood up to go

1288
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,440
run through the living room

1289
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,960
here's something

1290
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,760
two little guys about the same

1291
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,160
four-year-old standing in my living room

1292
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,839
with their backs to me

1293
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,280
you know and

1294
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:22,160
yeah i mean and i see these big bulbous

1295
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,359
heads

1296
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,520
and i'm like i i go and they're totally

1297
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,839
oblivious that i'm i'm awake and i'm

1298
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:30,160
like what you know what the big eyes i

1299
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,040
guess

1300
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,280
well yeah when i got to the

1301
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,319
middle of them they were going through

1302
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,800
my bookshelf and i stood in between the

1303
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,480
two of them because i i mean it's kind

1304
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,400
of hard to be frightened over something

1305
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,319
the size of a couple of four-year-olds

1306
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,160
you know

1307
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,400
just little itty bitty things and

1308
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,480
i stood in the between the two of them i

1309
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,839
look at them like

1310
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,559
you know and they look up at me like

1311
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:54,240
you know oh crap

1312
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,200
and

1313
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,280
big black eyes gray

1314
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,119
skin bulbous heads

1315
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,559
naked

1316
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,960
and uh you know interesting enough you

1317
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,800
know everybody always describes them as

1318
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,960
having you know two slits for a nose a

1319
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,359
slit for the mouth and

1320
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,520
but the slit for the mouth it was in a

1321
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,400
circle

1322
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,559
like oh like oh crap she's awake or

1323
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,520
something and no and i'm like saying to

1324
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,720
him like who are you what are you doing

1325
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,920
here you know what's

1326
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,319
what's going on a little monstrous thing

1327
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,280
yeah i mean it was it was so like you

1328
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,440
know everybody's like how can you

1329
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,200
you know have not been scared i'm like

1330
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,720
look i thought i was about to die and

1331
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,960
then i'm i find two four-year-olds in my

1332
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,359
living room you know i'm not so

1333
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,920
frightened that all of a sudden and like

1334
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,520
and they had my stuff in their hands i'm

1335
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,960
like who are you what are you doing here

1336
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,200
and they're not answering me you know

1337
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,319
and they got like uh one of them had um

1338
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,960
a photo album in their hands and i had a

1339
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,040
little mini photo album and then another

1340
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,800
one had uh something else that i had

1341
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,880
there on the shelf and i said give me

1342
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,480
that put that down i'm grabbing it on

1343
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,839
their hands like they're bad kids or

1344
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,319
something and and they're just you know

1345
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,079
you know just frozen i'm like god you

1346
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,599
know what who are you guys you know i

1347
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:05,280
don't understand what's what's happening

1348
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,720
here i hear some noise behind me

1349
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,359
and i look i had a big walk-in closet

1350
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,920
just off the side of the living room and

1351
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,640
and i go in there and i you know there's

1352
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,240
two little guys in there going through

1353
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:20,960
my stuff on all fours going through my

1354
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,559
yeah little rummaging creatures

1355
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,440
literally and i'm like what what is

1356
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,119
going on here and they just freeze and

1357
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,119
they're like you know look at me and i'm

1358
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,920
like wow and then i i hear noise in my

1359
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,839
kitchen because the cabinets are being

1360
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,240
opened in the kitchen and and there's

1361
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,920
two more in there going through the

1362
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,079
cabinets i'm like you know it's like a

1363
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,720
cockroach in fact an infestation you

1364
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,480
know the lights were off the cockroach

1365
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,720
just come out or something i'm like you

1366
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,319
know this is crazy i'm like what are you

1367
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,680
guys doing here

1368
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,680
and in the kitchen off the side there

1369
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,559
was the the bathroom door

1370
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,640
and it was closed and the light was on

1371
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,920
and i'm like now this is just not

1372
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:02,400
happening right here you know i'm like

1373
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,390
come a long way who knows absolutely

1374
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,040
crazy so anyways i go and i shove the

1375
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,240
door open and unfortunately

1376
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,000
fortunately or unfortunately there was

1377
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,599
one behind the door i did not know this

1378
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,680
was so when i shoved the door open

1379
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,319
it got knocked to the floor

1380
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,160
and you know i see that i've knocked one

1381
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,680
to the floor and i see another one

1382
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,520
that's grabbing something off the back

1383
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,760
of my toilet and

1384
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,640
this one had on clothes this one had on

1385
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,280
like a little jumpsuit like type things

1386
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:37,839
in the supervisor or something ah

1387
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,800
you know it is just crazy so by this

1388
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:43,200
time i have essentially interrogated and

1389
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,480
asked all of them who are you what are

1390
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,240
you doing here i just remember saying

1391
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,920
that over and over who are you no

1392
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,200
responses

1393
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,160
no response just this oh for their

1394
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,119
mouths like oh no she's going to kill us

1395
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,440
um like godzilla going through tokyo or

1396
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,200
something um

1397
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,640
because they're a little it seems like

1398
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,000
if they were space types it seems

1399
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,359
they've come a long way to look at some

1400
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,480
regular old household goods

1401
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,000
well

1402
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,720
you know i i've figured out what the

1403
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,359
heck they were doing and it wasn't until

1404
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,880
i grabbed the little guy that had the

1405
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,680
suspenders on or the jumpsuit i grabbed

1406
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,520
him by his

1407
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,680
his suspender portion

1408
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,000
and picked him up and

1409
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,240
shook him you know with every word i'm

1410
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:28,400
asking him who are you and what are you

1411
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,520
doing here

1412
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,440
and uh

1413
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,280
it was so strange but the one that i had

1414
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,760
knocked to the floor off to my right had

1415
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:37,280
its little arms up in the air and i sang

1416
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,319
you know

1417
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,440
i heard him say i'm your nephew i'm your

1418
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,319
nephew and i'm like what your nephew

1419
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,480
yes i turn my attention to this little

1420
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:47,920
guy on the floor and he's got his arms

1421
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,559
up as if to block me so i don't step on

1422
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:53,200
him or something and uh

1423
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,000
and

1424
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,280
he goes uh i i mean i'm looking at him

1425
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,119
i'm just as real as i'm sitting here in

1426
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,920
this chair and i watched him change

1427
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,079
shape shift into my nephew in a baby

1428
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,480
blue suit and afro

1429
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,880
and i'm like yeah my nephew looked like

1430
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,880
him when he was 10 he's in his 20s now

1431
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,400
or something

1432
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,599
and

1433
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,920
i'm like you know what kind of crap is

1434
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,359
this i'm thinking you know what i turned

1435
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,280
my attention back to the one that i had

1436
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,800
in my hands and now i picked this one

1437
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:22,960
off the ground not a violent person but

1438
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,599
you know i was just a bit peeved that my

1439
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,119
place was being rummaged through by

1440
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:29,440
these little gray cockroaches

1441
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,400
yeah

1442
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,240
oh this is one of the better stories

1443
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,079
i've ever heard i think

1444
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,440
i can't believe i haven't told you this

1445
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,200
one before it's so crazy

1446
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:39,359
so i've got this one in my hands and i'm

1447
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,880
i'm i'm get a good look at him

1448
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:45,440
and this one did not look like the

1449
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,800
others this one had the bulbous head but

1450
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:50,480
it was flesh colored

1451
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,839
it had a curly tuft of red hair on top

1452
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,119
of his head

1453
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,680
flesh-colored freckles on its face

1454
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,599
big eyes but they were human and they

1455
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,200
were blue

1456
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,960
and this thing would have been an

1457
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,119
irishman yeah i think he was probably

1458
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:08,240
related to you but um i'm just kidding

1459
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:08,960
but

1460
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,760
the thing is i felt like i mean this

1461
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,359
thing is little i felt like i had just

1462
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,200
terrorized a little kid this thing

1463
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:16,960
started shaking

1464
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,480
so violently like short circuiting just

1465
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,480
just totally short circuiting out and

1466
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,160
i'm like whoa whoa it's okay it's okay

1467
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,559
little guy i'm not going to hurt you

1468
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,359
i put it down i said just relax it's all

1469
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:31,280
good i'm not going to hurt you

1470
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,559
and i'm like you know this one's over

1471
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,079
here lying to me i'm just trying to

1472
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:36,000
figure this out you know

1473
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:37,119
and

1474
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,720
down i mean literally i felt like i'd

1475
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,400
scared a kid and it was like you know

1476
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,920
breathing heavy like

1477
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,640
you know type of thing and uh i'm like

1478
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,480
you know do you want a cookie

1479
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,160
i'll go get you a cookie just calm down

1480
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,760
i offered a freaking aliens a cookie

1481
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,359
might go for that

1482
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,160
so i turned around to literally go get

1483
00:56:01,589 --> 00:56:00,400
this thing a cookie

1484
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,599
and uh

1485
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,160
and the others had actually

1486
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,040
formed like a v at the door

1487
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,280
um and they're all standing there and

1488
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:11,040
i'm like what you know they're blocking

1489
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,240
i'm just looking at the top of my

1490
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:14,240
refrigerator you know make sure i had

1491
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,839
some cookies left i'm like oh there goes

1492
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,680
the cookies but these little guys are my

1493
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,839
way i'm gonna have to plow through them

1494
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,599
um

1495
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,200
but they're standing there and their

1496
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,960
their mouths are closed now

1497
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:27,280
and then all at once they like lean

1498
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:28,839
forward you know

1499
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:32,319
and i don't remember anything else after

1500
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,119
that

1501
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,960
they leaned forward they leaned forward

1502
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:36,640
almost like they all had to work

1503
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,589
club over the head or anything i don't

1504
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,559
guess or

1505
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,559
no you know um but

1506
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,559
you know it's it's so strange because

1507
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,240
it's like i don't feel like they got me

1508
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,920
i don't feel like i got abducted i don't

1509
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:54,160
feel like any of those things happen

1510
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,280
but i

1511
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,640
do remember waking up the next day going

1512
00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:00,079
where the hell you know where are they

1513
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,040
it's like

1514
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,200
this is not happening yeah where these

1515
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,480
little guys at

1516
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:05,440
but

1517
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:10,319
um and then the next day nearly the next

1518
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,359
day

1519
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,400
i started seeing the big black shadowy

1520
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,240
masses in my apartment

1521
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,319
and i'm like wow

1522
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,480
what is going on here just saturday

1523
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:22,720
masses as opposed to the little aliens

1524
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:26,160
exactly i'm like okay i don't get this i

1525
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,440
just got rid of those little gray

1526
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,599
cockroaches only to be met

1527
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:30,400
with

1528
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,920
a big black shadowy presence and uh

1529
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,319
thus began my venture into the shadow

1530
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,160
people phenomenon fully like they got my

1531
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,760
attention fully

1532
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,400
after that fiasco um i didn't know what

1533
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,880
i was experiencing i'm like give me a

1534
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,359
break come on you know i'm seeing the

1535
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:48,960
head and shoulder shadow i'm seeing

1536
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,400
black streaks my place was so active i i

1537
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:55,119
just was you know it i had lived there

1538
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,319
for a while this is just a regular

1539
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,000
apartment milwaukee right i mean that's

1540
00:58:01,190 --> 00:58:00,319
yes yeah and i've been there for like a

1541
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:01,200
year

1542
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,240
you know already without any

1543
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,160
phenomenology or anything

1544
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,640
but i had joined a ufo paranormal

1545
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,200
discussion group of people who had seen

1546
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,160
ufos or been abducted so that was my

1547
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,640
only connection and i have i assumed

1548
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,240
that they were trying to figure me out

1549
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,440
and saw the picture of my nephew in that

1550
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,680
photo album dressed just like that one

1551
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,200
shape shifted into so they were trying

1552
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,520
to figure me out and gather information

1553
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,280
intelligence of some sort so that's what

1554
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,960
i feel they were up to the little gray

1555
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,400
guys

1556
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,720
well who am i to say i mean i guess they

1557
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,480
might be but i mean

1558
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,400
oh lord i've i guess i've been to a lot

1559
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,440
of epic meetings and i've never

1560
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,799
never been followed i'll tell you what

1561
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,079
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00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,000
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1648
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all that

1650
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before we talked about anything on that

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before the show i was talking to joe

1653
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,039
about chris christie now you remember we

1654
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,640
had a show

1655
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,920
uh

1656
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,520
about the fella that was done wrong by

1657
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:25,280
chris christie and so forth

1658
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:26,160
and

1659
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,680
you know chris christie for whatever

1660
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,079
whack-a-noodle reason has decided he's a

1661
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,319
dallas cowboy fan i think it was to get

1662
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,079
in the public eye that he could show up

1663
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:36,319
at jerry jones's

1664
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,760
owner's box and you know be high-fiving

1665
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,319
that the owner's group and all that like

1666
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,839
he's just a big buddy buddy with jerry

1667
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:44,799
jones

1668
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,119
and which is strange for a guy from phil

1669
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:49,359
you know from uh jersey and all that but

1670
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,990
several years ago there was a super bowl

1671
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,480
in new orleans and i was uh

1672
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,880
you know down there

1673
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,960
and uh there was a casino jerry jones's

1674
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:02,880
wife were coming out i just said hello

1675
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,280
jerry jerry was kind of half drunk but

1676
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,960
you know he's you know he still could

1677
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,559
function and talk to you

1678
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,160
and most the players were in that casino

1679
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,319
but anyway i say hello to jones and i'm

1680
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:14,559
just about six foot tall i'm not a giant

1681
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:15,440
man

1682
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,039
and uh i mean

1683
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:19,440
pretty wide but i mean not a six foot

1684
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,559
average size

1685
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,920
and uh

1686
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,760
i towered over jones like he was one of

1687
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,680
those little creatures that you just

1688
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:27,039
talked about

1689
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,319
and uh

1690
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,920
you know i was like boy what a little

1691
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,079
fella and you know it's no big deal big

1692
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,000
wallet little fella thing right what i'm

1693
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,920
saying is

1694
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,760
the pictures of chris christie there's

1695
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,119
something missing in the translation

1696
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:40,880
here just a little mystery

1697
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,920
because

1698
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,760
chris christie was in the owner's box

1699
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:45,119
with jones

1700
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:46,160
and of course they were during the

1701
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:47,599
cowboy game when they were playing the

1702
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,520
lions and then i think also the packers

1703
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,720
they were showing

1704
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,200
shots of jones and and christy and they

1705
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,200
were yakking at each other and all that

1706
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,359
anyway it showed chris christie to be

1707
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,640
about three inches shorter than jones

1708
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,480
which my my goodness heidi if i'm

1709
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:06,079
looking down at this guy and i'm just an

1710
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,599
average sized guy or maybe a little

1711
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,359
bigger than average but still right

1712
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,039
about average and i'm figuring he's no

1713
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:13,839
more than five six or seven

1714
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,430
wow

1715
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,599
and they showed another picture of chris

1716
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,400
christie on the field at cowboys stadium

1717
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,720
and he was shorter than jones i'm saying

1718
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,720
this little guy if he weighs about 300

1719
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:30,880
he's got to be about as tall as he is

1720
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,390
i mean this is a little bowling ball of

1721
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,280
a dude that's just wrong of you kev

1722
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,440
but but that's not all

1723
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,599
is is you know we were also remarking

1724
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:45,280
before the show was chris christie had a

1725
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,640
lap band about

1726
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,559
a year ago

1727
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,079
this guy looked he what looked like he

1728
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:53,280
weighed an easy 300 now

1729
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,430
i'm just saying this guy's like a little

1730
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:01,760
monster that's all i'm saying

1731
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:05,839
he'd be a good fugitive for your dreams

1732
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,720
i mean what a troll but any rate i just

1733
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,000
we just thought that was kind of

1734
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,319
interesting and since he's

1735
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,480
actually believe it or not

1736
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,720
he's a foul little troll

1737
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,400
and i don't care how you know he's not a

1738
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:20,640
handsome man but he's a troll that

1739
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,000
closed the

1740
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:24,880
the bridge into you know into new york

1741
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:28,079
and i mean he's just a no-good lowdown

1742
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:28,880
and

1743
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,799
troll oh that isn't all he did they had

1744
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:34,960
a picture of him on youtube where when

1745
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,319
the cowboys lost the game with the uh

1746
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,240
you know the the catch that was

1747
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:43,440
nullified by the the referees

1748
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,240
uh

1749
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,359
he chris christie was making you

1750
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,599
remember dr evil would stick his little

1751
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:52,160
finger up near his his mouth and

1752
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,039
uh

1753
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,720
you know made you know a little gesture

1754
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,440
dr evil's gesture from the movie right

1755
01:07:03,349 --> 01:06:59,359
chris christie did that like he's a

1756
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,359
little evil trolly dr evil or something

1757
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,599
anyway i'm sure the point of the whole

1758
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:07,920
story is these photos once they come out

1759
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:10,640
will probably sink chris christie and

1760
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:11,520
um

1761
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,119
and then he'll go back to the jersey

1762
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,400
swamp where he belongs but uh

1763
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,319
i know that that's a departure from

1764
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:20,160
paranormal things but i thought it was

1765
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,400
funny enough to tell you it was just a

1766
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,720
blast goodness that's funny

1767
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:26,640
i mean the creature for the black lagoon

1768
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:29,599
or something anyway

1769
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,270
little finger right in the side of his

1770
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:37,440
mouth was really just perfect i mean

1771
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,799
whoever christie's opponents are in the

1772
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,520
upcoming republican uh fight off for the

1773
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:45,520
convention they'll love those photos

1774
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,480
it's just

1775
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:47,920
they'll think they just won the irish

1776
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,880
sweepstakes i promise you but anyway by

1777
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,119
the way i don't mean to cut out for just

1778
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,880
a second away from the paranormal issues

1779
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:57,359
but you do realize now this is an

1780
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,880
interesting topic and we'll get back to

1781
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,079
paranormal issues because you've sure

1782
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,480
got plenty more but what i'm saying is

1783
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:04,079
you do realize those games were crooked

1784
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,000
right

1785
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,760
i don't know

1786
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,200
okay

1787
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,400
well now look

1788
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,599
i might have mentioned this on one of

1789
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,960
the shows after just happened but the

1790
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,920
cowboys lions game

1791
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,279
the uh

1792
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:19,839
the lions were had a past the

1793
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:22,719
quarterback threw a pass stafford

1794
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,759
and it there was clear past interference

1795
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,239
where the guy was held okay

1796
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,839
and this was at a pivotal point in the

1797
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,120
game

1798
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,279
because the the if the if the pass had

1799
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,960
held up

1800
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,839
uh

1801
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:38,159
the the lions would have easily scored

1802
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,679
again they were on a roll if you will

1803
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,359
this broke their momentum

1804
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,400
but the referee threw a flag

1805
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,159
okay

1806
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,520
and

1807
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:49,920
from all the time i've watched football

1808
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:53,199
back in for decades

1809
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,319
they always if they're gonna pick the

1810
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,040
flag up they pick it right up okay

1811
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,520
chris collinsworth who's the

1812
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,480
you know premier broadcaster for nbc's

1813
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,319
uh football coverage

1814
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,799
and certainly an you know experienced

1815
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,040
wide receiver and just footballs in his

1816
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,440
veins that's all he's ever done

1817
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,679
since he left the university of florida

1818
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:14,799
uh

1819
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,359
he he said he's never seen in all his

1820
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,600
broadcasting career or playing career

1821
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,080
someone pick a flag up after a minute

1822
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,520
and a half in other words they come to a

1823
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:25,440
pretty quick conclusion heidi

1824
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:26,400
and

1825
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:31,920
when they do have

1826
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,199
uh plays that are in dispute

1827
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:36,799
they kick it back to new york to look at

1828
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,560
videotape and make a ruling on it okay

1829
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,080
they review all scoring plays for

1830
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:45,040
example to make sure there was uh

1831
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:46,839
you know

1832
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,719
uh possession of the bell all that

1833
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,880
they took it up for after a minute and a

1834
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:54,800
half they took up the flag and said net

1835
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,000
forget it

1836
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,080
there's no penalty and and they showed

1837
01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:00,480
they showed replay after replay on nbc

1838
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,840
okay getting to the point of the whole

1839
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:03,199
matter

1840
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:05,120
it's crooked as

1841
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,159
the

1842
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,480
you know uh professional wrestling and

1843
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,400
that i mean i'm sure all the packer fans

1844
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,719
will shriek when they hear that and

1845
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,600
you know uh all this stuff and all the

1846
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,840
cowboy fans will too but it is it's as

1847
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:19,120
crooked as

1848
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:22,480
and

1849
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,640
even people

1850
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,400
just other players

1851
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,560
so obviously they were tweeting around

1852
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,239
that obviously this is as crooked as

1853
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,760
finding somebody with a smoking gun in

1854
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:37,120
their hand

1855
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:38,320
i mean heidi it should have never

1856
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,840
happened

1857
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:41,600
oh yeah oh my goodness

1858
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:44,320
uh i don't know it's like uh i've i've

1859
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:45,440
heard uh

1860
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,480
even the last call was not good um that

1861
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:50,320
playoff that they just had on sunday

1862
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,350
that was like

1863
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,320
i know i know it well now that one was

1864
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,640
not as was not as clear-cut as to what i

1865
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,800
just referred to the one i referred to

1866
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,480
was as obvious as if you just stuck your

1867
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,400
leg i got tripped a guy

1868
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,040
and i mean you committed a foul right

1869
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,280
but i mean you know what happened was

1870
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,600
the cowboy uh

1871
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:15,600
player had in the cornerback had grabbed

1872
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,679
the receiver and held him and kept him

1873
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:19,520
from catching the ball it's just

1874
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,679
you know stuff they do all the time but

1875
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,760
and that's why the flag was thrown there

1876
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:25,040
was no

1877
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:28,560
justification heidi none zero nada for

1878
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,669
hmm

1879
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,760
yeah i couldn't tell you don't i don't

1880
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,679
watch enough

1881
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,199
well you don't have to be like the

1882
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,520
professional sports person to see this

1883
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:43,440
and like i say nbc was showing it this

1884
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,640
way they were showing it that way

1885
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,239
they're showing it this way and remember

1886
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,640
this is scrutinized by new york too

1887
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,360
the nfl home office so what i'm saying

1888
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,960
at oh by the way there was another

1889
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,520
official who was like who they keep on

1890
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,840
hand i forget his name but nbc they

1891
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,360
asked well old bill what do you think

1892
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,600
well obviously it's

1893
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,320
it's a penalty you know any rate what

1894
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:06,000
i'm saying is there was no justification

1895
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:07,760
picking out if that wasn't a smoking gun

1896
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,120
heidi there aren't any we deal with

1897
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,640
conspiratorial issues too if we're

1898
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:11,920
taking a break from

1899
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:14,560
from exotica for a minute this is exotic

1900
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:15,760
as anything

1901
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:18,159
it really is

1902
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,080
it's bad to the bone heidi

1903
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:25,040
tell you what years ago

1904
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,800
20 some years ago when i worked at state

1905
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,400
farm

1906
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:33,590
was a big gambler

1907
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,920
he was he was an adjuster like me and he

1908
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,679
had he had a fair amount of money and he

1909
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,040
was a big gambler and what he would do

1910
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,360
is he had a book inva in

1911
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,440
oakland who would take the bets

1912
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:45,280
and these guys back in the late 80s

1913
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:46,159
would

1914
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,480
week

1915
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,000
i mean fairly big money for guys are

1916
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,920
just workers right

1917
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:54,880
and

1918
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,960
crooked don't you i think you're not

1919
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,360
that stupid are you and he would tell

1920
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,280
them how to bet basically

1921
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,840
uh or you know influence him somehow but

1922
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,120
because he would lay the bets off to

1923
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,040
other bookies but what i'm saying is

1924
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:11,600
it's as crooked as

1925
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,149
anyway i'm just bringing that up i know

1926
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:19,920
that's a break from paranormal issues

1927
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,159
but i just had to throw that

1928
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,000
in i had to throw that i had to throw

1929
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,760
that in because we have an actual human

1930
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,920
monster that has been cited in chris

1931
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:30,000
christie

1932
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:36,950
but anyway

1933
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,679
but i want you to explain how

1934
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:41,120
this was also mentioned before the show

1935
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,719
how christy could be listed at 5 11

1936
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,880
at fairly normal sized guy

1937
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,800
and you know obama's about six two

1938
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,719
approximately and he looked like that

1939
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,440
size next to obama yet he's shorter than

1940
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:55,120
jerry jones there's something going on

1941
01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:00,470
yeah

1942
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,600
i don't know

1943
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,440
i couldn't tell you

1944
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,880
any right i didn't mean to depart from

1945
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,719
that but so what i mean you have a

1946
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,920
little variety in here we always have

1947
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,000
variety in our shows anyway

1948
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,070
i don't know if the tuesdays

1949
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:16,880
voyages guys are are going to be like oh

1950
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,840
yay chris christie bashing

1951
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,159
well look i mean uh

1952
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:24,719
you know i i i like to keep things

1953
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:27,520
moving and i like to keep things

1954
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,560
varied

1955
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,800
but this is such a weird deal

1956
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,560
it's like this fat little ugly troll

1957
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:35,280
expands or contracts i mean unless they

1958
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,750
but i could promise you i stood right

1959
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,360
next to jerry jones and i was about a

1960
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,280
head taller than he was or almost we

1961
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,719
have about a head

1962
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:50,400
two thirds of a head

1963
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,520
anyhow

1964
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,600
all that said

1965
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,679
all these evil things have happened to

1966
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,400
you from the age of eight

1967
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:01,440
it must have made you gun shy about even

1968
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,110
uh you know what

1969
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:09,199
when it when it came to

1970
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,480
this type of

1971
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,239
thing um

1972
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,520
i wasn't so much terrified in that sense

1973
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:17,520
i i don't i don't know where that comes

1974
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,320
from i i think uh because i was exposed

1975
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,480
so young and i didn't like

1976
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,400
being frightened i mean i immediately

1977
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,520
took to trying to remedy it so so you

1978
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,280
got kind of case-hardened to it i guess

1979
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:31,679
i think so i think so i mean i can't say

1980
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,400
that you know i wasn't affected it it it

1981
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,719
really scared me of course but you know

1982
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,719
i learned to be able to stand my ground

1983
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,480
and not you know run and hide

1984
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:42,800
necessarily all the time you know but

1985
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,679
uh

1986
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,040
i just i don't know i don't know where

1987
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,120
that kind of where that came from but

1988
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,960
you know what's good to note though too

1989
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:50,400
you know in the midst of all this dark

1990
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:53,360
and paranormal stuff

1991
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:56,320
it's not all dark and paranormal i i

1992
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:57,360
think that

1993
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,880
there's a balance out there that people

1994
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,159
need to realize

1995
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,719
that there's a balance when it comes to

1996
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,960
a person who's able to see these dark

1997
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,960
things they're also able to see light

1998
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,560
things and

1999
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,199
for myself

2000
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:14,000
it was it was a beautiful mixture of

2001
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,280
that um

2002
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,840
i had as i mentioned uh before the break

2003
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,159
that i had some encounters or

2004
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,120
experiences that were of the very holy

2005
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:25,520
sort um were they near-death experiences

2006
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,760
i don't know but i have very very very

2007
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,560
clear distinct memories and experiences

2008
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:33,360
of being in this heaven-like place

2009
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:36,320
people in white robes um

2010
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:37,840
seeing these

2011
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,239
these buildings that the best that i

2012
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,400
could describe them as were like ancient

2013
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:44,560
greek or roman buildings

2014
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,920
that were made of like a crystal a a a

2015
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,480
sparkling like crystal well i think i've

2016
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,400
heard that uh

2017
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:54,320
description before

2018
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,520
oh yeah

2019
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:57,120
you know it was it was really

2020
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,719
mind-blowing for myself you know because

2021
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,560
i would always tell you know my sister

2022
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,960
that was closest to and uh told her

2023
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,360
about what what it was that i i'd seen

2024
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,800
and you know i would just have these

2025
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,880
memories and and uh

2026
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,719
and it was just so neat to me you know

2027
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,120
to suddenly i think i was a teenager i

2028
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,360
came across a book

2029
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,199
that mentioned

2030
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,840
these these buildings in heaven you know

2031
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,280
on the other side people that were

2032
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,719
communicating from the other side i'm

2033
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,120
like oh look you know i showed her i'm

2034
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,199
like i can't believe this you know other

2035
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,960
people have seen

2036
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,120
this place and

2037
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,960
it was really fascinating to me was

2038
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:35,040
later on when

2039
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:39,040
i i joined that ufo alien abduction

2040
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,719
group of people

2041
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,000
and

2042
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:44,080
i went to one of my friend's homes that

2043
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,600
was part of that group and when you

2044
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,880
first come into her home there's this

2045
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:48,960
big beautiful painting

2046
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,560
exactly like the scene that i have seen

2047
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:54,719
in this heavenly place did you let me

2048
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,679
ask you

2049
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:58,719
the buildings and the crystals and and

2050
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:01,360
the the clouds and everything it was

2051
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:02,640
just unbelievable

2052
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,199
but did you see did you see a a variety

2053
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,960
of colors that was very that were very

2054
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,679
unusual not like earth colors but

2055
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,440
very vivid

2056
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,520
i landscape colors i know what you're

2057
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,719
speaking of like a lot of people

2058
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:16,880
describe seeing that kind of thing uh in

2059
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,400
like fields and whatnot i i did see that

2060
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,440
in another type of experience um that

2061
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:26,400
was also like a heaven-like place um

2062
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,199
i have seen something like that it just

2063
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:31,600
in like a grove or of some sort in

2064
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:35,120
between some mountains uh where i had

2065
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,400
one of the encounters that i had with

2066
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:39,040
jesus so it was uh just just my it's

2067
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:41,120
just beautiful absolutely beautiful

2068
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,280
breathtaking kind of thing yeah oh gosh

2069
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,760
yeah but what was really

2070
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,480
interesting to me was uh you know the

2071
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,520
people that that i bumped into there and

2072
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,000
uh people wearing the white robes and

2073
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,400
being guided you know and and speaking

2074
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,920
to this person that was guiding me it

2075
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:59,280
was just

2076
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:00,800
really

2077
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:05,760
experience but um what was interesting

2078
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,800
to me

2079
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:08,480
backing up a little bit with the

2080
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:11,040
painting that i saw when i saw it i said

2081
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:13,040
to my friend i'm like wow you know i

2082
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:14,640
just froze at her front door and i'm

2083
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:15,760
like what

2084
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,199
where did this come from and like this

2085
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:19,920
is yeah i've seen this place you know

2086
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,880
and she's like oh this she's like oh my

2087
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,480
dad he's an artist and he had a

2088
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:26,320
near-death experience

2089
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,920
and he painted what he saw

2090
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,920
yeah i have heard something similar

2091
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:33,760
descriptions before and they were just

2092
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,560
like you're describing oh it's just uh

2093
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,719
unbelievable unbelievable i mean just

2094
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,159
one of the things that was described as

2095
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,239
they they saw colors that they don't see

2096
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,400
in earth i guess

2097
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:46,000
i don't know what it would be but some

2098
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:47,520
kind of it's like i know what they're

2099
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:49,040
talking about it's like a it's like

2100
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,159
colors that seem alive

2101
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:54,159
it's not just a color it's not a

2102
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,080
painting on the wall it's a color that

2103
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,320
you see depth three-dimensional

2104
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,480
four-dimensional you know you go into

2105
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:01,920
the color i know what they're speaking

2106
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,640
of

2107
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,360
yeah it's a it's it's a very very

2108
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:07,040
different kind of uh

2109
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:08,800
way of expressing

2110
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,159
color and uh yeah it's it's different

2111
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:14,239
but that's a good experience i like that

2112
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:15,760
those are pretty you could get along

2113
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,159
with experiences like that yeah well

2114
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,159
yeah but again you know so much focus

2115
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,000
goes on to the negative because it's for

2116
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,560
myself having uh name shadow people in

2117
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,480
the hatman phenomenon

2118
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,880
you know here i have

2119
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,880
i have one book on shadow people have

2120
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:33,120
one book on the hat man and i have four

2121
01:20:36,630 --> 01:20:34,320
other books

2122
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,640
one is on jesus encounters the four

2123
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,400
encounters that i had at the time called

2124
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,320
jesus is no joke

2125
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,239
an angelic encounter

2126
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,400
that i had that taught me a different

2127
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,440
way of praying uh to pray tell me about

2128
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,280
that i've never heard that one yeah

2129
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:51,920
what's it called how the angels pray and

2130
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,239
that book is called picture prayers and

2131
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:56,880
then i have another book called

2132
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,600
diary blog of the fickle finders it's a

2133
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,280
it's a book series

2134
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:02,800
that's on faith

2135
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:05,280
and that that one starts uh that one

2136
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,880
starts on faith and but it's a book

2137
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:08,800
series that'll cover different topics

2138
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,440
but that's a graphic like novel

2139
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,600
and uh you know so and then i have

2140
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,520
another book that's uh you know just for

2141
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,719
fun that's a

2142
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:19,040
because i'm a cartoonist as well and um

2143
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,480
that's another part of that series but

2144
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:22,400
the the point is that

2145
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:23,280
you know

2146
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,159
here

2147
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:25,920
i've got all these books i've got six

2148
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,560
books only two on these dark topics and

2149
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,080
those are the only things that i get

2150
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:32,880
called to speak on sadly unfortunately

2151
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:35,600
yeah it's you know the jesus book you

2152
01:21:40,630 --> 01:21:38,560
know i get to sneak that in there uh you

2153
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,640
know the prayer stuff i get to sneak in

2154
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,400
there but um you asked about the the

2155
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,320
picture prayer book and and i highlight

2156
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,320
a little bit of that my book jesus no

2157
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,400
joke as well um a lot of people

2158
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:50,400
requested that i expand on the topic so

2159
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,440
i did

2160
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,880
and

2161
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:53,920
so

2162
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:54,840
that

2163
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,080
book is based on you know i think a lot

2164
01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:00,080
of us you know when it comes to

2165
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:03,120
our faith we we don't

2166
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,600
give a whole lot of um

2167
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,840
thought to what it is that we say to god

2168
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,320
i you know necessarily it seems to be

2169
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:13,520
oftentimes rehearsed rehashed

2170
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,679
you know just before we go to bed at

2171
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,440
night and we're passing out we don't

2172
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:19,679
have clear thoughts and it's so

2173
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,719
traditional i mean it it made it made me

2174
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,719
sleepy just even thinking about it and i

2175
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,880
always hated my prayers just because

2176
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,199
they were so rehashed and they were so

2177
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:31,840
not thought out you know and i just i

2178
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,639
really didn't enjoy the this

2179
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,719
what was instilled in me as a kid as a

2180
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,719
time to sit you know practice sitting

2181
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:40,400
still and uh

2182
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,280
you know

2183
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,280
doing a whole lot of uh

2184
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:45,360
focus on on somebody who was said to be

2185
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,400
listening

2186
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:48,560
so i really just i wanted a different

2187
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,840
way of praying and i always kind of

2188
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,440
prayed for a different way of praying

2189
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,600
and then i was like you know why

2190
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:55,679
why do we sit there

2191
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,600
and close our eyes and why do we do it

2192
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,960
only in church and why do we do it just

2193
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,360
before i go to bed and i'm like hold on

2194
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,679
the pastor is talking a great prayer and

2195
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,120
his eyes are open he's walking and

2196
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:07,440
talking and you know like i tried

2197
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,960
practicing during the daytime so i don't

2198
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:10,239
fall asleep in the middle of my prayers

2199
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but you know luckily for myself

2200
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,080
i had an encounter that i i

2201
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,960
i don't know how to

2202
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,199
exactly put into words

2203
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:23,520
as easily as uh it may seem even though

2204
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:26,880
i wrote a whole book on it um but

2205
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,480
i had an angelic encounter that

2206
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:32,880
essentially showed me

2207
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,719
that pictures is a thousand words and

2208
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,000
pictures

2209
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,719
that you know we are you know trying to

2210
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,639
formulate our words and get things just

2211
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,920
right but you could

2212
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,520
take a picture and send in a text

2213
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:47,760
message and it could say so much

2214
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,480
without your little text underneath it

2215
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,920
and

2216
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,159
they essentially showed me

2217
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,159
how to go about

2218
01:24:02,790 --> 01:23:59,199
visually communic communicating with god

2219
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,800
and being open and honest and for myself

2220
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,520
it brought about a different feel a

2221
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:07,679
different stance a different

2222
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,239
notion of what it meant to

2223
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,719
communicate with god not to pray

2224
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:14,159
necessarily

2225
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,280
because

2226
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,960
it wasn't about taking time out for

2227
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:19,040
prayer but that prayer

2228
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:21,040
it takes no time at all

2229
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,480
and my

2230
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,760
prayers

2231
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,679
essentially transformed into being

2232
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,440
something that happened

2233
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:29,600
all the time every time 100 percent of

2234
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,560
the time

2235
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,639
and i now don't even think about it

2236
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:35,120
because it is going on at all times you

2237
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:38,320
know i used to so stop and oh i got to

2238
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,360
say my prayers hold on you know and then

2239
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:43,679
you know like but but to get this simple

2240
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:44,719
lesson

2241
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,000
on how to integrate that in my days

2242
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,920
i there's not there's nothing that he

2243
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,679
can't look at let's put it that way

2244
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,080
there's nothing i don't exclude from him

2245
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:55,920
i don't sit in the room alone i don't

2246
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,800
ever feel alone i feel as if the whole

2247
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:01,040
time and everything that i do everything

2248
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:04,239
that i decide everything that i pursue

2249
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:05,840
i'm always conversing with him what do

2250
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,960
you think how's that you know

2251
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,960
yeah so it's uh you know so i i

2252
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:13,040
recommend i mean honestly that used to

2253
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,040
be my my favorite book that i'd written

2254
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:17,520
um picture prayers and uh

2255
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:19,760
i'm looking to uh probably republish

2256
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,239
that it is out uh right now through a

2257
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,960
british publisher but i'd like to

2258
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,360
you know transform it a little bit more

2259
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:29,600
and uh but i think it's something pretty

2260
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,239
enjoyable and uh and oddly enough you

2261
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,719
know when it comes to my writings my

2262
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:36,719
book jesus is no joke

2263
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:38,239
that talks about

2264
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:41,920
the honesty in my discovering that he

2265
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and putting that into um a book form

2266
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,280
i i you know

2267
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,400
i i don't know how to put it it's like

2268
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,159
people appreciated the honesty i think a

2269
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,239
lot of us are at a place where we don't

2270
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,040
always get that historical lesson of

2271
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,960
this man named jesus and what what it

2272
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,639
meant to know him

2273
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:07,280
and uh you know my discovering how real

2274
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,480
he was

2275
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,480
in my four encounters that i had with

2276
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:12,880
him and

2277
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:15,040
a healing that took place

2278
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:16,880
from him that

2279
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:20,080
got me to the place that i am today

2280
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,760
that you know my doctors can't explain

2281
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,199
but i know what took place i told them

2282
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:25,440
what took place my doctors just don't

2283
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:26,960
they don't want to attribute it always

2284
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,679
that way i guess they oh yeah i've been

2285
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,880
trained to

2286
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:33,120
turn the other way other way and say

2287
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,080
perhaps it was a misdiagnosis no 12

2288
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,480
years i suffered from a disease that

2289
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:41,120
cannot be cured so uh no it was not a

2290
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,040
misdiagnosis it was called there's been

2291
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:45,199
lots of those cases like that lots of

2292
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,639
them and and you know the catholic

2293
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,280
church often uh has a medical bureau's

2294
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:51,120
that you know review cases and some they

2295
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:52,400
have proven some they don't is being

2296
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,440
miraculous

2297
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,440
uh so yeah i mean what you're saying is

2298
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:57,440
definitely true and there is in the

2299
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,239
general population of doctors a

2300
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,719
all reluctance to admit the

2301
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,199
miraculous but uh

2302
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they do grudgingly admit it they really

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do

2304
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something that uh

2305
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something that i think you know more

2306
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,400
more concentration and focus should be

2307
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,480
put towards the lighter side of things

2308
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,960
not just you know these dark topics

2309
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:24,800
because i would not have gotten over the

2310
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dark topics had i not had the light uh

2311
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:29,280
guide me and protect me because a lot of

2312
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people

2313
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,480
ask me how do you deal with these demons

2314
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,719
like you know had i not had these other

2315
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,560
experiences i would not be here talking

2316
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,080
to you sanely

2317
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well i can understand that i mean from

2318
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the age of eight

2319
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oh boy it's a heck of a baptism into uh

2320
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enter this kind of paranormal thing well

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with heidi hollis and this

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01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:00,480
lusty discussion of every kind of

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01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:03,040
paranormal issue there ever was uh

2429
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:05,199
i tell you what uh heidi the the

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01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:06,960
positive is pretty good and i really

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01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:09,440
have enjoyed the

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exposure to it i've had i really have it

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makes life you know frankly worth living

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01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:15,679
um

2435
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:17,760
of course i i don't know this particular

2436
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:19,360
audience probably hasn't heard about it

2437
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,320
but

2438
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:22,639
the primary

2439
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,120
metaphysical thing i've had relation to

2440
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,840
god and jesus and what have you um

2441
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,760
was when i had the odor of sanctity

2442
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:31,520
experience in our lady of martyrs shrine

2443
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:35,440
in horrysville new york in 2008 and

2444
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:38,880
just in brief what happened uh

2445
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:41,679
for those not familiar with it i um

2446
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:43,280
was up in new york looking for real

2447
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,800
estate and

2448
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:46,960
i didn't really find it

2449
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:48,719
inappropriate for what i was interested

2450
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,880
in and i was going to take that last day

2451
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,440
a wednesday to just play uh tourists in

2452
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:55,120
the mohawk valley

2453
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:59,040
and uh it's right near albany and um

2454
01:34:01,830 --> 01:34:00,159
i um

2455
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,840
you know was going to fly out of albany

2456
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:03,280
thirst esa is going to strive in the

2457
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,239
morning that next morning but anyhow uh

2458
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:08,080
after 10 minutes i find our lady of

2459
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:09,440
martyrs shrine and i'd convert to

2460
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:13,520
catholicism a couple years previous and

2461
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:14,320
oh

2462
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:15,120
uh

2463
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,040
i started smelling the smell of roses

2464
01:34:21,350 --> 01:34:19,840
within about 15 minutes of

2465
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hitting the

2466
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property and it was about

2467
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40 or 50 acres

2468
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,719
actually about 70 acres on a plateau

2469
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:30,000
kind of windy

2470
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:31,760
and there was no church services going

2471
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:33,520
on it was just you know there were two

2472
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,920
chapels on the property but

2473
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:37,520
you know no services only about three

2474
01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:39,040
people in general milling around you

2475
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,159
know working

2476
01:34:45,110 --> 01:34:42,639
cleaning up and stuff

2477
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,120
and uh some people at the museum that's

2478
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:47,760
it anyhow heidi this was powerful it

2479
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:48,800
just like

2480
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:51,040
uh grabbed you by the throat

2481
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:53,199
as far as how powerful it was and i have

2482
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,280
bad sense of smell from being in texas

2483
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,280
and you know exposed to the allergies

2484
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:58,800
down here it makes you congested and

2485
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:01,920
stuff and uh just from being in new york

2486
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,920
for a couple days didn't make you cured

2487
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:05,360
necessarily

2488
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,080
and heidi this went on and on and on for

2489
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,239
about 40 minutes

2490
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:12,480
and the only roses were about 20 acres

2491
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:15,440
away from me and just a handful at that

2492
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,560
and uh

2493
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:18,560
i went i talked to the

2494
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,470
she said basically you smelled it too

2495
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:26,960
and in a shocked way and i said yeah and

2496
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:28,719
every six to 12 months something like

2497
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,560
that happens somebody experiences this

2498
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:32,639
odor of sanctity issue

2499
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:35,120
and uh the unusual powerful smell of

2500
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:36,480
roses where they shouldn't be any

2501
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:38,480
because it was just pines and maples it

2502
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,000
wasn't like it was just a

2503
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:41,600
tropical uh

2504
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,560
you know garden or anything anyhow

2505
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:46,320
that experience will stay with me heidi

2506
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:50,480
if i lived to be 400. no i understand

2507
01:35:53,110 --> 01:35:51,840
when something like that happens it's

2508
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:53,120
like

2509
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,800
i mean you trust yourself you know your

2510
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:56,800
senses you know what you're well yeah

2511
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,000
you've been you long enough to know

2512
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,239
what's normal and what's not normal

2513
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:03,280
and i do go into uh greenhouses

2514
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:04,880
periodically down here if i'm looking

2515
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,800
for something or just snooping for

2516
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:08,320
plants or whatever

2517
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,800
and i know what uh you know what they

2518
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,719
you know how i react is how good a sense

2519
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:14,480
of smell i have which is not very good

2520
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:15,600
at all

2521
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:18,320
and uh so i yes i've been me long enough

2522
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:20,320
to know what's exotic and you would too

2523
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:21,920
i mean uh

2524
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,239
i mean this is a breezy place kind of up

2525
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,480
on a little you know third of a mile up

2526
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,159
and uh

2527
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:30,000
you know no services no nothing no

2528
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:32,000
incense in other words going on or

2529
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,920
anything like that and uh

2530
01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:35,920
and you know i grew up partially in the

2531
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,520
northeast and it doesn't smell like a

2532
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:39,760
rose garden i think even though this is

2533
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:42,080
rural i mean it's just pines maples

2534
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:43,280
nothing else

2535
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:45,679
and this was yes you know when an exotic

2536
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:47,600
experience occurs yes

2537
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:50,800
and one definitely did and uh

2538
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,639
and it was and it was you know

2539
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:54,560
awe-inspiring and it had another feel to

2540
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:55,280
it

2541
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,480
too

2542
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,560
uh like we talked about in a show we had

2543
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,719
recently it talk uh it did have another

2544
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:03,199
feel there was a feeling like

2545
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:05,760
the kind of terminology that

2546
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,199
i don't usually use because i'm not

2547
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:09,280
overly dramatic in my thought processes

2548
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:10,239
but

2549
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:11,679
it was i was saying this is sacred

2550
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:14,239
ground here i mean you know uh in other

2551
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,560
words you it had a feel of the holy

2552
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,400
around that place

2553
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,159
more than just say a nice church would

2554
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,920
say yes you'd feel

2555
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,920
you know like it's a holy place but i

2556
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,840
mean this was a another dimension kind

2557
01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:27,199
of similar to what you're talking about

2558
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,280
a real feel to it

2559
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,800
and i'm not the only one that's felt

2560
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,719
that up there at all

2561
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:35,119
really right yeah and uh one of the

2562
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,719
priests from my church i go to who's

2563
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:38,159
familiar with the place and he felt the

2564
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:39,600
same thing

2565
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:42,239
uh it's just a really different place

2566
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,840
it's called our lady of martyrs shrine

2567
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:45,600
in oriensville new york for those who

2568
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,280
ever want to visit but uh right

2569
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:51,119
it's pretty cool i mean when when people

2570
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,639
get a chance to experience something

2571
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:55,199
like that and and i think

2572
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,239
you know

2573
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:58,000
nine times out of ten i really really

2574
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:59,440
truly believe that

2575
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,119
most people will have experienced

2576
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:03,520
something that's a little special

2577
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,719
a little paranormal a little outlandish

2578
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:08,880
or even just a deja vu

2579
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:11,040
in their lifetime i i honestly i think

2580
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:12,880
it's hunt 100 of the time but i think

2581
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:14,000
people

2582
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,280
don't trust their senses always and and

2583
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,679
my favorite one is when people say i

2584
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:21,280
thought my eyes are playing tricks on me

2585
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,600
i'm like come on now your eyes are not

2586
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,520
it you know in the back room planning to

2587
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,880
trick you

2588
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,880
no these are the same eyes that you

2589
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,199
trust every day to get up get in your

2590
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,280
car and drive a hundred miles you know

2591
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,000
but oh boy those tricky eyes they just

2592
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,719
saw an alien really come on you know so

2593
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:40,719
yes but or they just you know think

2594
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,800
their imagination really imagination

2595
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,400
your imagination can have you draw a

2596
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,560
stick person on paper but it's not going

2597
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:50,320
to play out a whole scenario in front of

2598
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,679
you well i know what you're saying i've

2599
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,760
heard that kind of thing that what am i

2600
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,280
losing my noodles or something like that

2601
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:56,639
yes i know

2602
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,840
but uh well i had something

2603
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,760
you could say

2604
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,360
that you could describe it as being

2605
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:05,040
paranormal and it really was someone

2606
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:06,719
could double think it and say oh no just

2607
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:09,280
a weird happenstance okay just in very

2608
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:10,880
brief this happened just saturday it was

2609
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:14,639
kind of good what happened was

2610
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,639
i was thinking about it i have to fight

2611
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,480
a tree for a person they want a 12-inch

2612
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:20,480
caliper tree that's 12 inches across the

2613
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,239
trunk it's about a 45-foot tree okay

2614
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,719
they want three trunks

2615
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:28,639
you know multi they call it

2616
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:29,440
and

2617
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:34,239
we'll find it but i mean it's hard

2618
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,440
but i had a strong sense call donnie and

2619
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:39,199
tell him to look for a

2620
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,639
uh a double a two trunk thing which no

2621
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,239
one by the way the reason this is this

2622
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:46,320
is bizarre is no one ever even thinks

2623
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,280
about a double they look their secondary

2624
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,520
desirability and they look past

2625
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:53,360
and we haven't even mentioned a double i

2626
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:54,560
mean you wouldn't even mention it to

2627
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,520
anybody

2628
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,600
anyway i had the strong feeling to tell

2629
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:58,960
him to look for one and then an hour

2630
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,239
later he calls me saying what do you

2631
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,239
think if i look for a double now i know

2632
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,000
that sounds like a prosaic small thing

2633
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:05,920
that's inconsequential but heidi that

2634
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,480
was bizarre

2635
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,480
well that's that's something else

2636
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:12,960
but uh i don't know i mean it's it's

2637
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,600
it's crazy it's crazy uh crazy cool

2638
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,040
though

2639
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:19,040
it is but but not like you're saying

2640
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:20,560
nothing can compare with the divine

2641
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:24,880
thing that was oh man oh yeah no i mean

2642
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,400
but again it's like i think that more

2643
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:29,520
needs to be put on focus for that and uh

2644
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,239
so much gets emphasized on on the

2645
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:34,000
paranormal is strange and it's like it

2646
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,159
it you know it does get people at the

2647
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,960
edge of another reality yes

2648
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,960
one thing that i i think that also i'd

2649
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,880
like to touch on this evening is my

2650
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:44,960
newest book the hat man before our time

2651
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,239
is up here um the hat man book that's

2652
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:50,560
something that has been a labor and i

2653
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:53,760
mean a serious labor for me to get

2654
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:56,000
completed um how long does it take you

2655
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:57,119
to visit

2656
01:41:01,510 --> 01:41:00,159
to write the book in general is

2657
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:01,520
not so much

2658
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:06,080
as the whole topic

2659
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,760
uh when i first came to realize that uh

2660
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:11,440
you know the shadow people topic i had

2661
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:14,080
kind of categorized this hat man guy as

2662
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,679
being a hat man's shadow and that's

2663
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,520
something that i'd put on my website

2664
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,920
when i first put his image up on my site

2665
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:21,760
and got my book the secret war out in

2666
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,360
2001.

2667
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,080
the book was written in 1997 and got

2668
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:28,000
distributed around and

2669
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:29,520
i think it got leaked a little bit here

2670
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:32,880
and there but um and then 2001 i put my

2671
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,360
images up on my website of

2672
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,199
uh the different shadow people again

2673
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:39,600
that's at heidi hollis.com and i put

2674
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:42,000
something called the hat man shadow up

2675
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,000
and i put that up and almost immediately

2676
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:48,960
responses and comments in regard to

2677
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:51,679
this guy that i had up there

2678
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,719
just changed totally changed

2679
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,400
and to describe what the hat man looks

2680
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:58,239
like

2681
01:42:02,149 --> 01:42:01,119
he is a guy that has a hat three-piece

2682
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,159
suit

2683
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,550
yeah indeed a trench coat

2684
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,679
cape

2685
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:12,480
and a tree and uh sometimes he's seen

2686
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:15,600
with a chain watch on his hip

2687
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:19,520
other times you can see his eyes

2688
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:22,400
as a glowing beautiful red not beautiful

2689
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:26,000
ugly and or sometimes a solid black eyes

2690
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,000
if you see his skin and whatnot against

2691
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:30,159
his uh

2692
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,159
against the shadows that he often hides

2693
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:35,360
in but what was interesting though

2694
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:36,880
you know as people were sending their

2695
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:38,719
emails to me they're just

2696
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,830
concluding how

2697
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:45,920
he his presence was so real it wasn't

2698
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,920
like a shadowy presence you know i've

2699
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:49,920
had people say yeah he does sit in the

2700
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,199
shadows but you know he sits on my bed

2701
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:55,360
he talks to me i started getting these

2702
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:57,199
types of emails and i'm like what you

2703
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:59,840
know what is going on here shadow people

2704
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:01,760
they're you know they're more nosy

2705
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,239
they're intrusive uh when they're seen

2706
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:06,000
they may run or they may come and jump

2707
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:08,840
on you hatman lets you acknowledge his

2708
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,719
presence and

2709
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:13,119
the thing is with him when it comes to

2710
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:15,360
his type of

2711
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,800
encounter

2712
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:18,960
you know people feel

2713
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,719
outright as if

2714
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,880
they are in jeopardy in jeopardy of some

2715
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:26,000
sort their soul their well-being their

2716
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:28,639
family their health their life

2717
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:31,679
now when it comes to shadow people again

2718
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:33,119
they feel like they're nosy they're

2719
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,400
observing

2720
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:36,400
but they may also choke them they may

2721
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:37,600
have to you know actually feel

2722
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,679
threatened as i did um but the hat man

2723
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,480
you know it it was it was so odd for me

2724
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,960
to be taking in these emails and i just

2725
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,719
i didn't want to look any further

2726
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,080
because every time i did everybody

2727
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,040
around me started experiencing um

2728
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:55,520
negative nightmares or

2729
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,760
feeling ill or feeling like something

2730
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:00,400
was awry and they would all know that

2731
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:01,840
heidi what are you working on i'd get

2732
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:04,080
asked and you know quit it because i

2733
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:05,840
can't sleep at night and i'm like wow

2734
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:08,320
what is what is this guy what is going

2735
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:09,679
on here

2736
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:12,800
and uh you know i i put it to the side i

2737
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,199
as much as i i possibly could but the

2738
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:16,960
emails kept pouring in

2739
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:20,159
my emails went from the topic of uh you

2740
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,520
know aliens first ghosts than aliens

2741
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:25,920
then shadow people to

2742
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,440
90

2743
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:29,280
hatman emails

2744
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:32,080
the progression has been

2745
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:35,760
absolutely crazy now what is interesting

2746
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:37,840
also in the patterns that i've seen with

2747
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:38,800
him

2748
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,760
is

2749
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:40,960
you know some of the things that he

2750
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:43,760
suggests some of the things that he does

2751
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,880
and some of the things that people

2752
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:47,040
experience now i've got the few handful

2753
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:48,560
of people that say

2754
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,600
oh hatman is a nice guy he's my guardian

2755
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:53,520
he does this because i wasn't scared of

2756
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,920
him i'm like oh you're so big and bad

2757
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:58,000
i'm so glad for you but it's not it's

2758
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,960
not about that it's about you know

2759
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,880
what was he there for did you invite him

2760
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,280
you know come on you know this is

2761
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,679
it's it's like he shows up to people who

2762
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,840
are kind of on his side of the fence

2763
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:11,679
which is like the negative side i'd

2764
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:14,880
suggest and uh and then the encounters

2765
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:17,679
with jesus are going up exponentially as

2766
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:19,840
well and he seems to be showing up to

2767
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,080
others on his side of the fence now then

2768
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:24,880
there's those fence setters sitters that

2769
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,040
experience both of them

2770
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:29,119
and that i don't think that's the best

2771
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:31,360
position to be in i i knew somebody that

2772
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:32,080
uh

2773
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:33,920
had been met with both of them and you

2774
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:35,040
know it's like what's the meaning of

2775
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,480
this and you know what's going on it's

2776
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:38,800
like you you've got to decide you know

2777
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,600
who are you going to be with you know

2778
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,440
crossing over to the other side and you

2779
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,679
know man he shows up around illness he

2780
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:47,600
shows up around death he shows up around

2781
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:50,159
accidents he shows up around anger

2782
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:51,840
arguments um

2783
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,679
almost as if to feed off the these

2784
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,199
things but

2785
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:57,840
the another thing to put into

2786
01:46:03,510 --> 01:45:59,600
perspective when those that have

2787
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:03,520
experienced him are oftentimes very

2788
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:05,040
young children

2789
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,080
uh

2790
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,840
what the heck is going on with that you

2791
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,760
know a lot of people are like you know

2792
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,480
oh here's a the age of innocence god

2793
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:14,320
protects you you know the evil can't

2794
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:16,400
affect you until you know you're at the

2795
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,080
age of communion and you could you know

2796
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:20,320
answer for your own sins and whatnot but

2797
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,520
this hat man somehow is wiggling his way

2798
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,119
into

2799
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,000
the innocence of very young children um

2800
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,800
in my book i have over 50 stories of

2801
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:32,880
different people who've written me over

2802
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:34,960
the years and

2803
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:37,040
a lot of them you know i was three when

2804
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,600
i first saw him i was four i was five

2805
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:41,119
and you know and people that are writing

2806
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:43,119
me now their children are talking about

2807
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:45,360
you know who's the man and the hat he's

2808
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,360
entering my nightmares you know it's

2809
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:49,920
it's horrific what's going on and what

2810
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,360
really just disgusts me about it all

2811
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:56,000
is the the sheer number

2812
01:47:02,870 --> 01:46:59,040
absolute number of this this guy showing

2813
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:02,880
up to the most innocent of us and

2814
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:06,239
these kids not having the chance to uh

2815
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,119
you know

2816
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,000
really get to know anything else but his

2817
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:12,400
presence you know and they grow up and

2818
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,639
then they write me now i'll tell you a

2819
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,800
story about this this this one that

2820
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:18,880
really is disturbing you know this guy

2821
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:21,280
wrote me and this isn't the hatman book

2822
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:22,560
um

2823
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:25,199
and he said you know i i remember

2824
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:26,800
i must have been

2825
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:27,920
maybe

2826
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,159
15 months old or something like wow what

2827
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:32,239
a memory you know

2828
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,119
he said because i was in a in a crib yet

2829
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,480
and i remember him looking over

2830
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,480
the the rail of the crib

2831
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:42,400
and him distinctly

2832
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:45,679
putting into my soul and into my mind

2833
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:46,639
knowing

2834
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:49,119
if i cried or scream

2835
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:51,840
he was going to kill me

2836
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,199
really now what kind of

2837
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:57,840
horror can he emit

2838
01:48:06,070 --> 01:47:59,679
that

2839
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:06,080
what death is and he obeyed

2840
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:07,840
because he knew

2841
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:08,800
now

2842
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:14,080
his mother came into the room he saw the

2843
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:16,239
hat man holding him

2844
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:17,199
she

2845
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:23,440
her son crying in a grown man's voice

2846
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:26,480
almost like yelling at the hat man

2847
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:29,840
and the door was slammed on her face

2848
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:32,880
yes um so you know it's like

2849
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:35,600
yeah i mean absolutely violent what is

2850
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,440
he doing with these kids

2851
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:39,760
you know what is he why is he trying to

2852
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:42,800
convince them that he is a part of their

2853
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,520
life and in fact he's come to

2854
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:46,800
some of the people that have written me

2855
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,159
saying uh

2856
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,119
you know me you know let me let me stay

2857
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,760
here i've known you since you're a kid

2858
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,920
you know you you know me so let me let

2859
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:57,199
me be here

2860
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,360
and you know it's it's uh

2861
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:01,040
you know so what is he trying to create

2862
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:04,239
some kind of a comfort level of some uh

2863
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:06,400
feeling of you know they you know

2864
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:09,199
knowing and uh some acceptance or

2865
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,639
something yeah and this yeah that's

2866
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,000
that's a good way of putting it you know

2867
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,800
it's like you know this is a this really

2868
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,040
needs to be paid attention to you know a

2869
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:18,960
lot of people think that the end times

2870
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,440
it's going to be you know the the angels

2871
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:23,119
in heaven battling it out we're going to

2872
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,880
sit there with some popcorn on the lawn

2873
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:26,000
going

2874
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:29,840
here it goes everybody when actually the

2875
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:32,719
war is going on in the secrecy and

2876
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,280
privacy of people's homes and that's why

2877
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:37,119
i call my first book the secret war

2878
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,000
because the war is going on already you

2879
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:42,719
know between the good and and the

2880
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,719
and evil i mean it's not something that

2881
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,000
i mean if

2882
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:50,719
if the enemy wants to have uh an

2883
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:52,639
advantage on you he's not going to want

2884
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,119
you to see him coming and how perfect to

2885
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:57,679
come under this disguise of darkness

2886
01:50:03,430 --> 01:49:59,920
when we're at our most vulnerable asleep

2887
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,440
at night and you wake up to horror and

2888
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:05,040
you know you're made to think it's a

2889
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:06,560
nightmare

2890
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,960
reality that's going on and what is that

2891
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:12,239
saying you know the greatest trick that

2892
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:14,320
the devil ever played was to convince

2893
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,600
people that he wasn't real that he

2894
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:18,000
didn't exist well he exists and he comes

2895
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,800
in a lot of different forms and i equate

2896
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,880
darkness as being darkness i don't care

2897
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:24,560
you know that's a little minion that's a

2898
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:27,600
big minion no you know when it comes to

2899
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:30,080
these negative beings i'm not talking

2900
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,760
about negative aliens uh shadow people

2901
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,360
you know anything and everything that's

2902
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,360
that's not invited that is not supposed

2903
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:39,280
to be there you know that is that you

2904
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:41,920
feel fear from is something that you

2905
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:43,920
need to be vigilant about and you know

2906
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:46,400
and society needs to quit with the

2907
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:48,320
laughter when it comes to it you know i

2908
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,159
have a good time with most topics and i

2909
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,719
try to propel and put these topics out

2910
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:54,880
there in my books in a casual manner so

2911
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,520
people aren't fearful of it but so they

2912
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,920
can take it in in little bites and

2913
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,679
hopefully digest it and be able to you

2914
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:03,119
know protect themselves because the

2915
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,480
chances are that they are going to be

2916
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:06,560
met with something in some form that's

2917
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,199
quite dark and they need to resort back

2918
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:11,520
to their faith or they might as well get

2919
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,239
a shoe and throw it at it because

2920
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:16,560
nothing is going to take it down you're

2921
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:19,040
looking into the eyes of of a beast of

2922
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,360
some sort and you and then i get these

2923
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:23,440
emails saying oh oh but i don't know if

2924
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:26,000
my faith is strong i don't like church

2925
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:27,119
dude

2926
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,360
a demon sat on your couch

2927
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:31,920
and you're telling me that you don't

2928
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:34,000
know about my fa dude you better find

2929
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:35,520
your faith because

2930
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:36,320
that's

2931
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:37,199
gonna

2932
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,440
get closer and more comfortable you know

2933
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,599
if you value your soul and trust me you

2934
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:43,199
got one whether you're gonna fully

2935
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:45,119
acknowledge it or not so it's it's time

2936
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,080
to you know snap out of it already it

2937
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:49,679
gets me

2938
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,239
to a point of you know just being so

2939
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,000
just disgusted with some of the stuff

2940
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:55,840
that i see and and some of the things

2941
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:57,920
that people say oh i don't know about

2942
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,440
that faith stuff i'm like well why did

2943
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:01,679
you write me you asked me how to get rid

2944
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,880
of this i'm going to tell you how to get

2945
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,320
rid of this but first you got to get

2946
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,560
right with your faith so i i

2947
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,560
also welcome people to go to my other

2948
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:10,080
website i have a new book i'm going to

2949
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:11,679
be putting out soon

2950
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,480
the other f word dot com

2951
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,719
though i have a book on faith already

2952
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:18,639
out there that uh you know it's for all

2953
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:20,320
ages seven and up and then i have

2954
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,679
another one that's going to be coming

2955
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,760
out uh also dealing with a topic of

2956
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,440
faith that's just going to be called the

2957
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:27,199
other f word because

2958
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,280
man you know if there's any weapon that

2959
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,199
i think is best for people to get and

2960
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:33,760
it's to get their faith together

2961
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:36,159
get god together in your in your heart

2962
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,800
soul and jesus as your you know your

2963
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:41,599
your sword to take these things out

2964
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:44,320
because uh i guess

2965
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:46,000
i wonder why he's such a snappy dresser

2966
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:47,760
i wonder why the hat man comes with

2967
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,040
three-piece suits

2968
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,840
to be honest to be honest you know what

2969
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:53,599
it's like if he didn't want people to

2970
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,800
recognize

2971
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,639
it being him all the time doing these

2972
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:58,639
things he would change it up a bit but i

2973
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:01,679
think he wants to be recognized so

2974
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,760
why would he want that acknowledgement

2975
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:05,280
he wants you to know that he's coming

2976
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:06,880
and he's coming for you

2977
01:53:10,149 --> 01:53:08,719
and he wants you to be able to relate to

2978
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:10,159
other people's stories and what he's

2979
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:11,599
capable of

2980
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:13,840
which is a highly disturbing thing so

2981
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,599
again i welcome people to go check out

2982
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:17,679
my book the hat man the true story of

2983
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:20,320
evil encounters and uh you know i really

2984
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:21,840
did my best to put everything that i

2985
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:23,920
know in regard to the topic and you know

2986
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,800
get people ready and to get rid of them

2987
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,639
it does not have to stay there the

2988
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,639
shadow people don't have to stay there

2989
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:32,800
negative aliens don't have to be in your

2990
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,639
life and there are good aliens out there

2991
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,480
too

2992
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:38,000
but a lot of people feel defeated

2993
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:40,159
they're like oh i'm paralyzed when they

2994
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,760
come and like you know if you could

2995
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:43,360
realize that there's just somebody

2996
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,760
whispering in your ear you're paralyzed

2997
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:47,760
you're paralyzed when you could see that

2998
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:49,840
you know somebody telling you this you

2999
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:52,159
can move just fine you know it's it

3000
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,400
you're not paralyzed i mean if they

3001
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,400
could take you on for who you are they

3002
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,639
would come as you are sitting there at

3003
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:00,960
on your couch and say hey how's it going

3004
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,800
i was thinking i'd terrorize you no they

3005
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:04,639
come when your guard is down because

3006
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:07,040
they can't take you out the way that you

3007
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,280
think that they can their power is all

3008
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,000
that you give them that's it

3009
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:14,639
well this has been an amazing show

3010
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:15,599
golly

3011
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:18,239
and he has some unusual experiences but

3012
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,199
you shocked even me

3013
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:23,760
lots of material you know so it's it's

3014
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:25,440
something that i'm passionate about and

3015
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,960
something that i i would do in my sleep

3016
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:29,199
if i could because it i just feel like

3017
01:54:32,229 --> 01:54:30,560
you know lots of

3018
01:54:35,310 --> 01:54:32,239
lots is going on now and a lot of people

3019
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:35,320
need to you know also welcome check out

3020
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:36,960
paranormalpledge.com and that's that's

3021
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,280
something that i i really uh welcome

3022
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:41,920
people to write me you know and join uh

3023
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,080
paranormal pledge and uh my email is

3024
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:46,239
dust outlander das outlander at

3025
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,440
gmail.com and i do my best to you know

3026
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:50,800
share people's stories and give some

3027
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,800
advice and i welcome people to share

3028
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,800
their stories so you know this

3029
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:56,800
paranormal topic can be seen for what it

3030
01:55:02,229 --> 01:54:59,520
is a normal topic and we just need to

3031
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:02,239
you know own up to it and take it down

3032
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:03,360
you know

3033
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,599
guess i want to invite the folks to uh

3034
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,920
of course come back to epic voyagers 8

3035
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:11,840
p.m central uh

3036
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,400
next monday but also tomorrow night we

3037
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:16,080
have a good show with john corner on the

3038
01:55:20,709 --> 01:55:19,520
kevin cook show at 8 pm central and uh

3039
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,719
should have a lot of interesting

3040
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,080
information on that

3041
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:24,080
conspiracy issues and the links between

3042
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:25,679
them and

3043
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,199
things are very seldom the way they seem

3044
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,040
heidi very seldom the way they seem

3045
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,360
indeed indeed that needs to be done

3046
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:33,679
that's for sure

3047
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:34,560
well

3048
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:35,360
yeah

3049
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:37,040
it really is but

3050
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,960
you know i i you know i hope folks have

3051
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:40,960
appreciated this and once again i'm glad

3052
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,280
we put the emphasis on the uh positive

3053
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,960
too i mean the paranormal isn't always

3054
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,800
just a ghost uh

3055
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:48,239
you know having a whiskey sour in the

3056
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,760
corner of the room or something but i

3057
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:52,000
mean you know there is a divine input

3058
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,080
there and

3059
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,760
and i i think people should be aware of

3060
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,760
that that'll give them a little

3061
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:59,440
faith you're talking about that isn't

3062
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:01,840
all just grim and muck

3063
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:05,040
and lurking figures i mean oh man

3064
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:06,000
um

3065
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,760
that's why i'm glad we've got exorcists

3066
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:09,520
running about

3067
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:10,719
and

3068
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,119
anyhow on that note i guess we better

3069
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:15,199
wish him good night and uh

3070
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:17,199
thank you epic voyagers we'll

3071
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:19,760
see you another time good night good

3072
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,750
thank you for being with us tonight

3073
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:31,760
please join us again next monday evening

3074
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:33,199
for extraordinary phenomena

3075
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:36,719
investigations councils epic voyages i'm